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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Steelmonkey

    Steelmonkey Well-Known Member

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    No-one truly gives a **** about cheese nnd wine, do they? I'd be a bit more concerned about medicines and the like.

    What was Raabs reply?
     
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    That's not the point mate.
    I'm not convinced that the average voter who voted to leave is going to lose any sleep over whether they'll be able to still get French wine or Camembert.
    It was an elitest comment from Marr and sums up the metropolitan approach to Brexit.
    Anyway, I don't want to go over all the old arguments again.
    Marr was much more balanced than I've seen him before.
     
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    That was my point mate.
    Marr intimated that we'd ALL be concerned how our supply of French wine and cheese would be affected.
    He was speaking to a journo, not Raab.
     
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    So we are now apparently expecting panic buying to dwarf the levels we saw in the summer. Thanks Brexit.

    Do we have any Brexiters here brave enough to admit this is now a **** Idea? It's now certain (deal or no deal) we will be worse off than we were before. So what the **** was the point? This bollocks notion of sovereignty? Idiotic and misplaced patriotism (Nationalism in reality) ****ing the country over.

    And even football is **** now.
     
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  5. Star of David Bardsley

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    We’ll have an over-supply of tea. Sovereign tea.
     
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  6. Quite Possibly Raving

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    Views are entrenched on both sides. I think from memory that Bobmid may be the only person on either side to have changed their mind or at least admitted to it.
     
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  7. kiwiqpr

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    having a bob each way
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  8. Steelmonkey

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    Is her haircut a bob? Not been paying attention to the fashions of the soon to be ex-First Lady!
     
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  9. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    what was the question five years ago

    Row erupts as Scottish independence poll shows 59% of Scots back remaining in UK

    Five years after the Yes/No referendum a survey commissioned by pro-UK campaigners Scotland in Union found large majority would vote to "remain" in UK but SNP say it is a "rigged" poll.

    Scots would still vote to stay in the UK five years after the independence referendum, according to a poll.

    A survey commissioned by pro-UK campaigners Scotland in Union found 59 per cent would vote to “ remain ” in the UK.

    But the result was rubbished by the SNP , which branded the poll of 1003 adults “rigged” because of its wording. It asked: “If there was a vote tomorrow with the question, ‘Should Scotland remain in the UK or leave the UK ?’, how would you vote?”

    SNP deputy leader Keith Brown said: “They are trying to rig the question in a deliberate bid to confuse independence with Brexit.”

    Five years ago tomorrow, 55 per cent of voters said No to independence while 45 per cent voted Yes.

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    Shadow Scottish Secretary Lesley Laird said: “Ever since they found out that they lost, the SNP have been agitating for a re-run.

    "That is not what people in Scotland want, and I’m not convinced it’s what Nicola Sturgeon wants – because she knows she would lose again.”
     
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  10. Steelmonkey

    Steelmonkey Well-Known Member

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    "Should Scotland be an independent country?" With either a Yes option or No option
     
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Yes, but have you agreed to tie the UK to Vietnam's social, labour and environmental regulatory structures in perpetuity?
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    Today we secured a trade deal with Vietnam

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    We have now agreed deals with 57 countries, covering £193bn of trade.
    This is unprecedented. No country has ever moved so fast to negotiate so many deals simultaneously. Well done to our brilliant negotiators

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    UK to deny asylum to refugees passing through 'safe' third country
    Immigration rule will also prevent migrants from making a claim in UK territorial waters

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    Asylum restrictions come after small boat arrivals across the Channel surged to record levels with more than 8,000 migrants travelling across the Dover Strait in 2020. Photograph: Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

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    • prevent asylum seekers from being able to make a claim in the territorial waters of the UK.

      The UK government will be able to remove refused asylum seekers not only to the third countries through which they have travelled, but to any safe third country that may agree to receive them, an explanatory memo states.

      A 10-page statement outlining the changes to the rules was published online without a press or public announcement.

      However, the changes highlight a significant hurdle for the UK government: claims will only be treated as inadmissible if the asylum applicant is accepted for readmission by the third country through which they have travelled or another safe state agrees to take them.

      Immigration law experts have said this could render the new policy “pointless” and would most likely delay asylum applications and leave refugees in limbo in the UK.

      Colin Yeo, a leading immigration barrister with expertise in asylum law, wrote on Twitter: “The policy is pointless because the govt has negotiated no such return agreements, so all it does is delay decisions on all claims, which is cruel to genuine refugees, and delay removal of non genuine cases.”

      The Liberal Democrats’ home affairs spokesperson, Alistair Carmichael, said the changes were “yet another breach of international law”.


      He said: “The UK has a proud history of providing sanctuary to those in need, but now the Conservative government is turning its back on refugees. This latest nasty policy from [the home secretary] Priti Patel goes against our commitments under the refugee convention and against everything the UK stands for. It’s yet another breach of international law by this irresponsible tory government.”

      Beth Gardiner-Smith, the chief executive of Safe Passage International, a charity that help refugees access safe and legal routes to asylum, said: “The government’s changes to the immigration rules are a direct assault on the fundamental human right to asylum. These chilling changes on International Human Rights Day do a disservice to the UK’s proud record of providing safety to those fleeing persecution and violence.”

      The number of small boat arrivals across the Channel has surged to record levels this year, with more than 8,000 migrants and refugees travelling across the Dover Strait, compared with less than 2,000 in 2019. However, total asylum applications are down year on year as the Covid-19 pandemic has cut off other methods of travel and limited migration flows.

      Patel has been accused of responding haphazardly with kneejerk proposals ranging from sending asylum seekers thousands of miles away to islands in the South Atlantic, to using giant water cannons to repel boats. The prime minister has reportedly become frustrated with Patel’s handling of the situation.

      The UK is a party to the UN’s 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and to its 1967 protocol, a piece of international law designed to protect refugees.

      The Home Office provided a statement through the immigration compliance minister, Chris Philp. He said: “We are determined to fix the broken asylum system to make it firm on those who come here through illegally facilitated routes and fair on those who play by the rules. There is no reason to leave a safe country like France to make a dangerous crossing. These measures send a clear message and are just one of the steps the government is taking to tackle the unacceptable rise in small boat crossings.”
     
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  13. kiwiqpr

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    anyone else getting a 4.1 % payrise

    MPs Pay Should Be Performance Related to GDP Per Capita

    Keir Starmer has joined a long list of MPs attacking the inflation-busting pay rise being handed to them, calling for the cash to go to key workers instead. Pay setting body IPSA has a structure deliberately designed by MPs after the 2009 expenses scandal to give them plausibly deniable cover for expense claims and pay hikes. “Nothing to do with us, it is independent” is the excuse MPs trot out. Well Parliament is sovereign and they can rule that a pay rise will not be awarded this year in solidarity with the people, as has happened in other legislatures around the world.

    IPSA is set to authorise a 4.1% per cent increase – taking MPs’ salaries up by about £3,360 from £81,932 to over £85,000. Which means a newly elected MP, a couple of years out of university with no experience, immediately will be in the top 2% of earners. This is not a pay scale commensurate with the real world in normal times, it certainly is not commensurate with the current situation of the voters whom MPs represent. Unemployment is surging by thousands every day, millions of furloughed workers are facing a 33% cut in already low incomes, even if you have a job the prospect of a pay rise is small.MPs are not in this together with the rest of us…

    IPSA is hiding behind a formula based on public sector average weekly earnings. There is no performance related aspect to MPs pay. Turn up, don’t turn up. Vote in person, drop in on Zoom. Whatever happens they get paid and they get pay rises. Unlike the rest of us.

    In the real world workers get performance related pay – MPs should too. MPs are supposed to improve our lives by raising the standard of living for all. A measure of that is GDP per capita. Pegging MPs’ pay to GDP per capita would link their prosperity to the prosperity of all voters, not just the judges and generals that MPs want to be on a par with. The representatives of the people should prosper with the people. If we get richer as a whole, their pay goes up, if we get poorer, their pay goes down. This will incentivise politicians to enact policies that make the people prosper.

    IPSA is running a public consultation and Guido’s friends at the Taxpayers’ Alliance have come up with a handy tool to convey co-conspirators thoughts on MPs’ pay to IPSA. If you want MPs pay to be aligned with performance, now is your chance to push for that to IPSA
     
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  14. Steelmonkey

    Steelmonkey Well-Known Member

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    No pay rise for the devolved government here....

    Pay rise for MSPs 'wholly inappropriate'

    MSPs will reject a "wholly inappropriate" pay rise next year, Holyrood's presiding officer has said.

    Salary increases for MSPs are linked to public sector pay and they would have been in line for a 5.1% rise in 2021.

    But Ken Macintosh said the Scottish Parliament's cross-party corporate body had rejected a pay rise for members next year, and also called for salaries to be frozen.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55189280
     
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    Wasn't Milibrand whiney, preachy and shouty .... embarrassing
    Certainly put off quite a few possible labour voters...A valid points he had were lost in the shouting rhetoric.
    I'm not sure he will be let out if the cage again.
     
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    Same old same
    He really did come across as rather demented.
     
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    the leaders of tomorrow
    we are ****ed
     
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