Coronavirus

[Ivan Dobsky]

Am I the only one who thinks it's fair enough?

Obviously some professions are criminally underpaid anyway but I think that's a separate issue. Loads of people have suffered financially this year and public sector isn't, generally speaking, one of them, think as a general principle it's okay tbh.

We're all gonna have to pay this furlough back in one way or another. We'll probably still be paying it via increased tax in 20 years.

As a key worker who has not had one day off during this pandemic, can I say that cuts both ways, especially as several of my friends, family and neighbours in the private sector enjoyed a lovely summer being furloughed, 'working from home', 'stood down' and developing the back garden tans in the spa bath.

I appreciate that many of them are now facing an uncertain future when the furlough scheme ends, but forgive me for being a tad pissed off when those of us who worked through the crisis, and continue to do so, are asked to pay for those who didn't and then be told how lucky we are to have a job. Especially after Boris said he's 'proud' at how @£18bn has been wasted on crony contracts for PPE that, in a lot of cases, didn't even get used.

 

[Schlem Boogerman]

As a key worker who has not had one day off during this pandemic, can I say that cuts both ways, especially as several of my friends, family and neighbours in the private sector enjoyed a lovely summer being furloughed, 'working from home', 'stood down' and developing the back garden tans in the spa bath.

I appreciate that many of them are now facing an uncertain future when the furlough scheme ends, but forgive me for being a tad pissed off when those of us who worked through the crisis, and continue to do so, are asked to pay for those who didn't and then be told how lucky we are to have a job. Especially after Boris said he's 'proud' at how @£18bn has been wasted on crony contracts for PPE that, in a lot of cases, didn't even get used.

 

[Libby]

As a key worker who has not had one day off during this pandemic, can I say that cuts both ways, especially as several of my friends, family and neighbours in the private sector enjoyed a lovely summer being furloughed, 'working from home', 'stood down' and developing the back garden tans in the spa bath.

I appreciate that many of them are now facing an uncertain future when the furlough scheme ends, but forgive me for being a tad pissed off when those of us who worked through the crisis, and continue to do so, are asked to pay for those who didn't and then be told how lucky we are to have a job. Especially after Boris said he's 'proud' at how @£18bn has been wasted on crony contracts for PPE that, in a lot of cases, didn't even get used.

That's fair enough mate. I worked throughout too as many of you know.

But you could flip that another way; as alluded to in my next post what about the people who lost out financially but also missed out on governmental support? Should they also be exempt?

Are we saying that only those who received furlough/mortgage holidays should contribute towards it?

 

[Schlem Boogerman]

That's fair enough mate. I worked throughout too as many of you know.

But you could flip that another way; as alluded to in my next post what about the people who lost out financially but also missed out on governmental support? Should they also be exempt?

Are we saying that only those who received furlough/mortgage holidays should contribute towards it?

Why should the nurses and doctors be exempt from the pay freeze?

 

[Bumps]

No mate. Who do you think kept the country ticking over whilst all the furlough ****s were sat at home doing jack?

So you're quite happy for public servants to get a pay cut and increased taxes

So with your line of thinking doctors and nurses should be getting a pay freeze. Are they?

'course not, that would be political suicide.

Public servants seen as soft targets. Always have been and always will be.

Oh and check out the max pay for the majority of civil servants. Just a midges dick above the national minimum wage.

****ing lamentable comment that

I personally pulled three people out of the sea this past summer plus literally hundreds of other near misses cause i decided to volunteer into a role that i usually get get paid minimum wage for - whatever that may be depending on the year

I worked 7 days a week until COVID kicked in - then went out everything i do (i was also in a band)
There are huge chunks of people who have gone since March with no money or help offered to them (according to Gov 4% small minority, guess i am just unlucky)

Libby has put a reasonable argument across.

As per there are huge chasms and disparities depending on the area you work and which industry, a freeze is not that a horrendous suggestion

Out of 20 years my pay has been frozen for 14 of them - you make do

When everyone flocked to the beach this summer I was working overtime getting people to safety as a volunteer in the hope that I will some how keep my role in the future. Today i am expecting to be told i am being made redundant for the third time since march.

Ps i did NOT want to be placed on furlough - i didn't get a choice
I did not sit at home doing jack
As soon as restrictions were relaxed I put on training for my grassroots kids and was knocking out 20 one to one sessions to stay in the guidance - so 20 hours a week for no pay just for the love
Prior to that i was running zoom sessions, again not doing jack

So calling me a furlough **** doing jack
Totally out of line

Everything is fluid and all options need to be considered, because once this **** storm is over there is an even bigger **** storm coming, the gap between the haves and the have nots is growing every day

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Why should the nurses and doctors be exempt from the pay freeze?

My daughter is a nurse, and I could be wrong but I thought they'd signed a three-year deal before the pandemic? That's what Hancock was saying back in April when people were still clapping the NHS and calling for them to get a pay rise. Not sure about doctors though.

Edit: runs out next March

 

[Libby]

Why should the nurses and doctors be exempt from the pay freeze?

I wouldn't be against that, but then you could say paramedics and police as well, and plenty others.

 

[Bumps]

Why should the nurses and doctors be exempt from the pay freeze?

They shouldn't but there would be a massive **** storm
Maybe stop paying consultants £145k a year (i knew an anaesthetist consultant that was his wage 10 years ago) for a job that has zero accountability and use that money to bring up the level of the front line staff

Doctors are fine financially a freeze for a year wont really effect their lives or it shouldn’t

However this argument can be applied to top level pro footballers and top end actors

Its a **** world and its getting ****ter

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

****ing lamentable comment that

I personally pulled three people out of the sea this past summer plus literally hundreds of other near misses cause i decided to volunteer into a role that i usually get get paid minimum wage for - whatever that may be depending on the year​

I worked 7 days a week until COVID kicked in - then went out everything i do (i was also in a band)
There are huge chunks of people who have gone since March with no money or help offered to them (according to Gov 4% small minority, guess i am just unlucky)​

Libby has put a reasonable argument across.​

As per there are huge chasms and disparities depending on the area you work and which industry, a freeze is not that a horrendous suggestion​

Out of 20 years my pay has been frozen for 14 of them - you make do​

When everyone flocked to the beach this summer I was working overtime getting people to safety as a volunteer in the hope that I will some how keep my role in the future. Today i am expecting to be told i am being made redundant for the third time since march.​

Ps i did NOT want to be placed on furlough - i didn't get a choice
I did not sit at home doing jack
As soon as restrictions were relaxed I put on training for my grassroots kids and was knocking out 20 one to one sessions to stay in the guidance - so 20 hours a week for no pay just for the love
Prior to that i was running zoom sessions, again not doing jack​

So calling me a furlough **** doing jack
Totally out of line​

Everything is fluid and all options need to be considered, because once this **** storm is over there is an even bigger **** storm coming, the gap between the haves and the have nots is growing every day​

​

The Daily Mail and The Sun are already framing that narrative in terms of public versus private sector. You can see what's coming, and most will fall for it, believing a nurse's pay rise will equate hard-working, middle class self employed accountants who pay sod all tax anyway having to struggle by with a slightly less generous tax break on their VAT returns.​

 

[Bumps]

The Daily Mail and The Sun are already framing that narrative in terms of public versus private sector. You can see what's coming, and most will fall for it, believing a nurse's pay rise will equate hard-working, middle class self employed accountants who pay sod all tax anyway having to struggle by with a slightly less generous tax break on their VAT returns.​

Read what you said above and totally see your point of view

Thats why there is a massive **** storm coming

Looks like divide and conquer to me from the government

I objected to being told that i am a **** doing nothing cause i was placed on furlough.

Equally i totally agree that front line workers do not get enough pay, no where near enough

As i said the pay structure is all wrong the battle is and always will be the rich and the poor, its not any one group of people its the whole system

Just have to get through it i guess

 

[Tobes]

The cost of this pandemic is still way less in terms of Govt spending than the bail out of the banks during and post the WW crash in 2008.

Let’s remind ourselves of who ended up paying that back. Oh yeah, it was funded by slashing public services, with fire, police, NHS, education and the armed forces all taking huge budget cuts. Who else paid for it? Oh yeah public sector pay freezes. benefits slashed for the most vulnerable and councils told to slash their budgets.

Meanwhile and completely simultaneously, the Tories reduced the highest rate of income tax by 5%.

We’re all in it together they said.......

How about this time we get the offshore million / billionaire ****ers who avoid paying their fair share, despite living here. For example, a certain Mr Rees Mogg - who’s hedge fund business has made over £100m net profit in recent years, but has paid £0 in U.K. corporation tax. Let’s round those tax dodging ****ers up, together with the disruptive technologies who’ve used complex business structures to end up paying next to **** all in U.K. tax e.g. Amazon, make them pay their way.

Oh but hang on, these are largely exactly the same people who funded the Brexit campaigns, as they didn’t like the idea of the EU clamping down on tax havens. Oh well, that’s that then. Make the poor and the just surviving pay it........as per.

This country is run and more importantly controlled, by ****ing crooks, they’re no better than the mafiosa.

 

[Bumps]

The cost of this pandemic is still way less in terms of Govt spending than the bail out of the banks during and post the WW crash in 2008.

Let’s remind ourselves of who ended up paying that back. Oh yeah, it was funded by slashing public services, with fire, police, NHS, education and the armed forces all taking huge budget cuts. Who else paid for it? Oh yeah public sector pay freezes. benefits slashed for the most vulnerable and councils told to slash their budgets.

Meanwhile and completely simultaneously, the Tories reduced the highest rate of income tax by 5%.

We’re all in it together they said.......

How about this time we get the offshore million / billionaire ****ers who avoid paying their fair share, despite living here. For example, a certain Mr Rees Mogg - who’s hedge fund business has made over £100m net profit in recent years, but has paid £0 in U.K. corporation tax. Let’s round those tax dodging ****ers up, together with the disruptive technologies who’ve used complex business structures to end up paying next to **** all in U.K. tax e.g. Amazon, make them pay their way.

Oh but hang on, these are largely exactly the same people who funded the Brexit campaigns, as they didn’t like the idea of the EU clamping down on tax havens. Oh well, that’s that then. Make the poor and the just surviving pay it........as per.

This country is run and more importantly controlled, by ****ing crooks, they’re no better than the mafiosa.

**** me this really really hurts

^^^^this

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

The cost of this pandemic is still way less in terms of Govt spending than the bail out of the banks during and post the WW crash in 2008.

Let’s remind ourselves of who ended up paying that back. Oh yeah, it was funded by slashing public services, with fire, police, NHS, education and the armed forces all taking huge budget cuts. Who else paid for it? Oh yeah public sector pay freezes. benefits slashed for the most vulnerable and councils told to slash their budgets.

Meanwhile and completely simultaneously, the Tories reduced the highest rate of income tax by 5%.

We’re all in it together they said.......

How about this time we get the offshore million / billionaire ****ers who avoid paying their fair share, despite living here. For example, a certain Mr Rees Mogg - who’s hedge fund business has made over £100m net profit in recent years, but has paid £0 in U.K. corporation tax. Let’s round those tax dodging ****ers up, together with the disruptive technologies who’ve used complex business structures to end up paying next to **** all in U.K. tax e.g. Amazon, make them pay their way.

Oh but hang on, these are largely exactly the same people who funded the Brexit campaigns, as they didn’t like the idea of the EU clamping down on tax havens. Oh well, that’s that then. Make the poor and the just surviving pay it........as per.

This country is run and more importantly controlled, by ****ing crooks, they’re no better than the mafiosa.

Thank you. Can't add to that.

 

[Bumps]

Thank you. Can't add to that.

I know
Its bad **** - im respecting a post by Tobes
Lets never speak of this again
I am now of out to see if pigs are flying south over my house

Edit
Actually thats harsh
I have agreed with alot that he has posted in the past its just his hatred of LFC thats the issue

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

A public sector pay freeze is worth around the amount pledged for Defence yesterday. 15% or so of “Operation Moonshot”. 7% or so of Brexit. It’s very much a choice rather than an inevitability.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

I know
Its bad **** - im respecting a post by Tobes
Lets never speak of this again
I am now of out to see if pigs are flying south over my house

Tobes's instincts have always been sound in this area. Just don't get him on null and voiding the vaccine, or VAR and the track and trace system.

 

[PINKIE]

As a key worker who has not had one day off during this pandemic, can I say that cuts both ways, especially as several of my friends, family and neighbours in the private sector enjoyed a lovely summer being furloughed, 'working from home', 'stood down' and developing the back garden tans in the spa bath.

I appreciate that many of them are now facing an uncertain future when the furlough scheme ends, but forgive me for being a tad pissed off when those of us who worked through the crisis, and continue to do so, are asked to pay for those who didn't and then be told how lucky we are to have a job. Especially after Boris said he's 'proud' at how @£18bn has been wasted on crony contracts for PPE that, in a lot of cases, didn't even get used.

Let’s not forget the £119bn that goes ‘missing’ every year from the Govt’s failure to tackle wilful tax avoidance.

The Govt can afford this, they just choose not to.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

I forgot the nurses' deal is due up next April. Watch as the Mail, the Telegraph and the S*n, and that Florida-tax-exile Richard Littlejohn in particular, start dripping the vitriol in articles and opinion pieces about how nurses really put their feet up for months on full pay and limitless overtime during the pandemic while old age pensioners writhed in agony dying and were ignored by slattern medical staff taking ciggy breaks and playing online bingo.

 

[CFC: Champs £launderx17]

The cost of this pandemic is still way less in terms of Govt spending than the bail out of the banks during and post the WW crash in 2008.

Let’s remind ourselves of who ended up paying that back. Oh yeah, it was funded by slashing public services, with fire, police, NHS, education and the armed forces all taking huge budget cuts. Who else paid for it? Oh yeah public sector pay freezes. benefits slashed for the most vulnerable and councils told to slash their budgets.

Meanwhile and completely simultaneously, the Tories reduced the highest rate of income tax by 5%.

We’re all in it together they said.......

How about this time we get the offshore million / billionaire ****ers who avoid paying their fair share, despite living here. For example, a certain Mr Rees Mogg - who’s hedge fund business has made over £100m net profit in recent years, but has paid £0 in U.K. corporation tax. Let’s round those tax dodging ****ers up, together with the disruptive technologies who’ve used complex business structures to end up paying next to **** all in U.K. tax e.g. Amazon, make them pay their way.

Oh but hang on, these are largely exactly the same people who funded the Brexit campaigns, as they didn’t like the idea of the EU clamping down on tax havens. Oh well, that’s that then. Make the poor and the just surviving pay it........as per.

This country is run and more importantly controlled, by ****ing crooks, they’re no better than the mafiosa.

Now that is a very plausible and most likely theory.

@aberdude Take note

 

[PINKIE]

The cost of this pandemic is still way less in terms of Govt spending than the bail out of the banks during and post the WW crash in 2008.

Let’s remind ourselves of who ended up paying that back. Oh yeah, it was funded by slashing public services, with fire, police, NHS, education and the armed forces all taking huge budget cuts. Who else paid for it? Oh yeah public sector pay freezes. benefits slashed for the most vulnerable and councils told to slash their budgets.

Meanwhile and completely simultaneously, the Tories reduced the highest rate of income tax by 5%.

We’re all in it together they said.......

How about this time we get the offshore million / billionaire ****ers who avoid paying their fair share, despite living here. For example, a certain Mr Rees Mogg - who’s hedge fund business has made over £100m net profit in recent years, but has paid £0 in U.K. corporation tax. Let’s round those tax dodging ****ers up, together with the disruptive technologies who’ve used complex business structures to end up paying next to **** all in U.K. tax e.g. Amazon, make them pay their way.

Oh but hang on, these are largely exactly the same people who funded the Brexit campaigns, as they didn’t like the idea of the EU clamping down on tax havens. Oh well, that’s that then. Make the poor and the just surviving pay it........as per.

This country is run and more importantly controlled, by ****ing crooks, they’re no better than the mafiosa.

Exactly this

Public sector pay freeze, like austerity, is a political decision. Not an economic decision.