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This man deserves a standing ovation the next time we are at St Mary’s to welcome the Doomed United
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They knew what they were voting for. Allegedly.
More to follow no doubt. Shame, what a pity, never mind we're taking back control and have blue parseports.
Stick to your guns, Sir Keir. I believe that not only the majority of the Labour party will back you, but so too will many who were put off voting Labour in the last election by the Corbyn factor. At the last election I became fed up with hearing 'I'm voting Labour despite Corbyn' (because our local MP is a genuinely good bloke) as well as 'I would have voted Labour, but can't stand Corbyn.' Luckily the former outscored the latter, but it is worth noting I didn't hear a single 'I'm voting Labour because I support Corbyn.'
I don't like those EU passports. They're just sooo not my colour. Well done, brexiteers everywhere. Now I now the one good thing that is going to come my way post January.
Quite agree. Those seeking to destroy Starmer from inside the party should **** right off and form their own ultra-left wing party where they can have Corbyn as their leader if they like. If they don’t and they continue like this, we’re doomed to a lifetime (or more) of these ERG idiots making our laws and getting even fatter of the back of all of us.
My whole life, since beginning to get involved in politics as a schoolboy, then at university, then as an NHS employee and union rep, I have found that the agreed line on literally any subject has been constantly under attack from both left and right. Quite often the ultra-left are far more insidious than the right, even if it means destroying any hope of achieving anything at all.
Even Lenin suffered from this sort of thing, so much so that he wrote a pamphlet about it entitled “‘Left-wing’ Communism: An Infantile Disorder”.
Sometimes one knows how Lenin must have felt!
I got a lot of angry responses, from an open post on Facebook, for daring to say that all sides of the Labour Party need to reach a compromise, if they want to oust the Tories.
Corbyn himself, as I posted yesterday, has asked for unity, but it appears that some don’t want it.
What I find disturbing, and I hope this doesn’t come across as anti Semitic as it isn’t meant that way, is how can so few people have such a massive influence on UK politics? Media coverage?
Whatever action Labour takes is met by outrage by one faction or other, within the Jewish community and so it never leaves the public eye.
And I look forward to the results of the review into islamophobia in the Tory party receiving this same level of scrutiny.
You know, that review that was going to be done by the EHRC, until the Tories said they would do it themselves.
Strange that they could do that.
Jeremy Corbyn is one of the longest serving MPs in Parliament. He has represented the people of Islington North, as their Labour MP, since 1983. He is very well thought of locally. Amongst his many achievements as a constituency MP, is keeping the Whittington Hospital A&E Dept open.
He campaigned tirelessly against Apartheid in South Africa, was active during the Miner’s Strike, campaigned for the release of the Birmingham Six, the Guildford Four...and, alongside Amnesty International, campaigned to overturn the convictions of two Palestinians charged with planning to bomb the Israeli Embassy in London. The State of Israel is unlikely imo, ever to forgive him for that. Corbyn’s animosity to the Israeli government, for which there is considerable evidence, does not imo constitute evidence of anti-Semitism.
For what it’s worth, I work in his constituency, live in the neighbouring constituency of Hornsey and Wood Green, and have met Jeremy many times. I’ve always found him unfailingly polite, friendly and approachable. I don’t think he was a great leader of the Labour Party, but I would be happy to have him as my local Labour MP.
He campaigned tirelessly against Apartheid in South Africa, was active during the Miner’s Strike, campaigned for the release of the Birmingham Six, the Guildford Four...and, alongside Amnesty International, campaigned to overturn the convictions of two Palestinians charged with planning to bomb the Israeli Embassy in London. The State of Israel is unlikely imo, ever to forgive him for that. Corbyn’s animosity to the Israeli government, for which there is considerable evidence, does not imo constitute evidence of anti-Semitism.
For what it’s worth, I work in his constituency, live in the neighbouring constituency of Hornsey and Wood Green, and have met Jeremy many times. I’ve always found him unfailingly polite, friendly and approachable. I don’t think he was a great leader of the Labour Party, but I would be happy to have him as my local Labour MP.
Good insight and potted history far better than the media post gobshites and gutter press.
I voted Labour because of Corbyn. I'm a socialist, at heart and I saw JC as our last chance as a country to have a socialist govt.
Starmer is labour in the same way that B.Liar was and I can't see myself voting for Labour in the next election because that flavour of Labour leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.
I agree that a more moderate, centrist Labour stands more chance of being elected than a socialist Labour but it wouldn't work for me, and I don't believe that such a Centrist labour govt would deliver what I'd want to see.
I agree with this 100%. I have always been right of centre, though I do swing to slightly left of centre too. I voted Labour at the last election though - not because I am a socialist, but I felt (and still feel) the Tories and Boris are too far right for me (amongst 100 other issues I have with them). When I analyse it, Corbyn for my beliefs was too far over and it didn't sit right with me, but that is how much I disagreed with Boris & co.
A slightly left of centre Labour appeals to me more than a right wing Tory party though and I think these are the things that Labour under Kier will pick up.
Just asked a Brexit friend of mine.....this was their reply.
Nothing to do with brexit , it’s France sorry, EU did a trade deal with Japan no tax on wine and cheese and no tax on Japan cars to Europe, this issue with Japan makers in UK was coming without brexit! But we are not aloud to do deals while in the EU but Germany and France .... Well that's another story.
So, you’re happy to gift the next X elections to the Tories are you, SC? Until the Labour Party can get the middle ground in this country, then they’ll remain unelectable (IMO) because too many people remember back to when they were led by the unions and look where that ended up. What we need now is a MODERATE socialist government who can begin to undo the damage the right wing driven governments have done over the past X years. A far left government will never take off in this country because too many people are afraid of it - most people are, like I am, around the middle of the spectrum, leaning slightly left or right. We need PROPER taxation, closure of loopholes, decent funding and modernisation of the NHS (and less money spaffed on ‘consultants’ for projects), affordable living wage for all and a safety net for those who need it. If it means individuals ****ing off to Monaco or some such, then so be it, but make their companies pay taxes and fair wages. We’ll no doubt in the future have to rejoin the EU and that will almost certainly mean we’ll have to accept the Euro (I hope the gammons are happy with that) but I don’t think we’ll get much of the investment lost to Brexit back - so we’ll be the poor man of Europe again - I just hope Starmer and Labour don’t have to pick that up with the tories sniping at them all the time.
I’m glad I’m not trying to do any of it, but I’d happily pay a little more tax to bring in those and not towards friends and family of the crooks in government currently ......