project big picture

[brb]

Dominic Cummings to head up a quango of like minded types who have never been to a footie game? ... sounds plausible

Neither have a lot of Premiership fans.

 

[FosseFilberto]

Neither have a lot of Premiership fans.

True ... but they are not being paid to run the country ... if Maggie's appointment of Colin Moynahan as minister of sport (on the basis that he loved to sit in boats watching much bigger guys row) is reflective of Tory expertise in the sporting sphere, then the beautiful game will be well and truly ****ed

 

[brb]

I came across this article today, it's about 3 days old. I didn't realise our chairman had contributed a piece for the Daily Mirror on the topic.

I don't agree with him btw, but I'm unlikely to agree over the financial aspects that drive chairmen anyway, but I thought the bit he said about how all these problems came about in the 90's was interesting. It was that collapse of Ondigital/ITVdigial that could have sent us under...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/project-big-picture-paul-scally-22838555

 

[brb]

True ... but they are not being paid to run the country ... if Maggie's appointment of Colin Moynahan as minister of sport (on the basis that he loved to sit in boats watching much bigger guys row) is reflective of Tory expertise in the sporting sphere, then the beautiful game will be well and truly ****ed

So you've chose to be selective about my point, because it don't agree with your political beliefs, fair enough.

 

[FosseFilberto]

So you've chose to be selective about my point, because it don't agree with your political beliefs, fair enough.

Nope ... just airing my views that the thought of the present government stepping in to sort out footie is both wryly amusing and also a cause for some concern ... it's like Vidal Sassoon appointing Donald Trump as VP for hair styling innovation

 

[brb]

Nope ... just airing my views that the thought of the present government stepping in to sort out footie is both wryly amusing and also a cause for some concern ... it's like Vidal Sassoon appointing Donald Trump as VP for hair styling innovation

But I get it, you don't like the Tories, you go to the trouble of saying so everyday. But it wasn't my point. I responded by stating that many Premiership fans probably haven't been to a game either. Which is the root cause of the problem, in that it's created armchair fans that in turn support SKY subscription, which feeds the greed and power struggle at the top. But if you want to carry on blaming the Tories, it's pointless continuing any conversation with you.

 

[duggie2000]

I'm not sure that I like the idea. Well run businesses with big support are being handicapped, whilst poorly run businesses are being advantaged as the competition is being reeled in/restricted, regardless of how badly they run their affairs.

The easiest way around this is to have contracts with low basic wages but huge bonuses for wins, draws, clean sheets etc
Tis was very effective for Watford in the Eighties
Increases competition for a first team place

 

[FosseFilberto]

But I get it, you don't like the Tories, you go to the trouble of saying so everyday. But it wasn't my point. I responded by stating that many Premiership fans probably haven't been to a game either. Which is the root cause of the problem, in that it's created armchair fans that in turn support SKY subscription, which feeds the greed and power struggle at the top. But if you want to carry on blaming the Tories, it's pointless continuing any conversation with you.

... and I acknowledged your point in the first word of my response ... which you chose to ignore because you wanted to focus on my comments on the government ... so, as you up say, little point in continuing the discussion ...

 

[duggie2000]

Dominic Cummings to head up a quango of like minded types who have never been to a footie game? ... sounds plausible

Astro and Sucky to be his right hand men just to give a balanced view on things

 

[brb]

... and I acknowledged your point in the first word of my response ... which you chose to ignore because you wanted to focus on my comments on the government ... so, as you up say, little point in continuing the discussion ...

I've created three threads for you to discuss politics on;

Trumps Dead
US Election
Coronavirus

It's not my fault that you're such a boring fooker no kunt wants to speak to you.

 

[FosseFilberto]

I've created three threads for you to discuss politics on;

Trumps Dead
US Election
Coronavirus

It's not my fault that your such a boring fooker no kunt wants to speak to you.

In your case I'm grateful ... but ironically you do keep replying ... disproving your point ... but affirming your intelligence level

 

[duggie2000]

I came across this article today, it's about 3 days old. I didn't realise our chairman had contributed a piece for the Daily Mirror on the topic.

I don't agree with him btw, but I'm unlikely to agree over the financial aspects that drive chairmen anyway, but I thought the bit he said about how all these problems came about in the 90's was interesting. It was that collapse of Ondigital/ITVdigial that could have sent us under...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/project-big-picture-paul-scally-22838555

Watford had the same problem, we only survived then because the senior players agreed to a wage deferral, I believe the Pozzos paid the last remnants of the outstanding wages

 

[brb]

Watford had the same problem, we only survived then because the senior players agreed to a wage deferral, I believe the Pozzos paid the last remnants of the outstanding wages

Put us in £10M debt at the time, as we were in the process of rebuidling our ground. So three sides got finished but the away stand remains a shambles. It's probably taken us 18 years to recover, so coronavirus would be enough for me to throw in the towel if I was the chairman. I honestly wouldn't blame him.

 

[duggie2000]

Put us in £10M debt at the time, as we were in the process of rebuidling our ground. So three sides got finished but the away stand remains a shambles. It's probably taken us 18 years to recover, so coronavirus would be enough for me to throw in the towel if I was the chairman. I honestly wouldn't blame him.

That amount at that time would have been a huge debt for most of the so called smaller clubs and a lot of the medium sized clubs
The biggest problem today is clubs desperately trying to reach the Premier League but if and when they drop out of the Premier League they have to ensure they have that covered or they end up like Bolton and Wigan
So far we have suffered more from the current lockdown that relegation, we have only lost a few of our top players, a couple on temporary loans with a view to get them back and a couple we didn't mind leaving because they weren't performing like the club felt they should

 

[brb]

That amount at that time would have been a huge debt for most of the so called smaller clubs and a lot of the medium sized clubs
The biggest problem today is clubs desperately trying to reach the Premier League but if and when they drop out of the Premier League they have to ensure they have that covered or they end up like Bolton and Wigan
So far we have suffered more from the current lockdown that relegation, we have only lost a few of our top players, a couple on temporary loans with a view to get them back and a couple we didn't mind leaving because they weren't performing like the club felt they should

I think supporters have been very understanding of the situation, such as having to let players go, to clubs that can afford to pay their wages, offering contractual terms that their present club couldn't.

It was basically revert to the permitted loans, thankfully and for once I will praise the Prem clubs for this, they have been very helpful towards my club, especially the North London clubs, so for once praise where it's rightly due.

We've seen them all pass us by down here, like you highlight, Bolton, Wigan....clubs such as Blackpool. But we've seen some also turn fortunes around, Sheff Utd and Wolves.

Hopefully we will all come out of this ok, but in reality I know it's unlikely. Unless the Prem can give the EFL what it wants, whatever that maybe.

 

[duggie2000]

I think supporters have been very understanding of the situation, such as having to let players go, to clubs that can afford to pay their wages, offering contractual terms that their present club couldn't. It was basically revert to the permitted loans, thankfully and for once I will praise the Prem clubs for this, they have been very helpful towards my club, especially the North London clubs, so for once praise where it's rightly due.

But we've seen them all pass us by down here, like you highlight, Bolton, Wigan....clubs such as Blackpool. But we've seen some also turn fortunes around, Sheff Utd and Wolves.

Hopefully we will all come out of this ok, but in reality I know it's unlikely. Unless the Prem can give the EFL what it wants, whatever that maybe.

Your right there BRB
Football needs a restructure from top to bottom
Wage capping must come in with the incentive of Bonuses
Man City for example could have a wage cap of £100k a week but still pay their top players unto £300k a week if they win games, win cups etc
The players that were not in the first team would still be paid more than we can dream of
The Championship could have a cap of £50k
With lower amounts for League 1 and 2
The best players would still earn their massive wages but they would need to be successful
Astro could provide us with a spreadsheet to show how it could work
So could I but since I have retired I just dont have the time

 

[brb]

Your right there BRB
Football needs a restructure from top to bottom
Wage capping must come in with the incentive of Bonuses
Man City for example could have a wage cap of £100k a week but still pay their top players unto £300k a week if they win games, win cups etc
The players that were not in the first team would still be paid more than we can dream of
The Championship could have a cap of £50k
With lower amounts for League 1 and 2
The best players would still earn their massive wages but they would need to be successful
Astro could provide us with a spreadsheet to show how it could work
So could I but since I have retired I just dont have the time

Astro

Retired, lovely. I need my sleep now fella.

 

[Tobes]

Your right there BRB
Football needs a restructure from top to bottom
Wage capping must come in with the incentive of Bonuses
Man City for example could have a wage cap of £100k a week but still pay their top players unto £300k a week if they win games, win cups etc
The players that were not in the first team would still be paid more than we can dream of
The Championship could have a cap of £50k
With lower amounts for League 1 and 2
The best players would still earn their massive wages but they would need to be successful
Astro could provide us with a spreadsheet to show how it could work
So could I but since I have retired I just dont have the time

That only works at the top level if it’s global though, otherwise the top players leave and go where they can earn the highest guaranteed dosh.

It can work in the lower domestic leagues as the top talent is always going to move up the divisions anyway.

 

[Saf]

The easiest way around this is to have contracts with low basic wages but huge bonuses for wins, draws, clean sheets etc
Tis was very effective for Watford in the Eighties
Increases competition for a first team place

Although that's not the easiest way around it as them bonuses are included in the wage cap...

The only bonuses exempt are promotion and cup bonuses.

 

[JakartaToon]

I'm not sure that I like the idea. Well run businesses with big support are being handicapped, whilst poorly run businesses are being advantaged as the competition is being reeled in/restricted, regardless of how badly they run their affairs.

I agree - the point of any financial controls should be to ensure that the clubs are sustainable and not try and level the playing field, competition wise.

A more rigorous FFP scheme needs to be in-place that limits the % of revenue that can be spent on transfer fees and player wages. Revenue should include any money that an owner wants to plough into the club from his own pocket but that can't be in the form of a loan or buying the ground etc. Clubs should also be forced to provide a bank guarantee to cover players salaries over the period of that player's contract so that they can't force the club into administration by signing a player they can't afford.