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They're also trying to reduce the massive difference in revenue between PL and Championship clubs which drives relegation clubs to act irresponsibly

That doesn't mean that they have to reduce competitiveness further at the same time though. As if FFP doesn't already give a big enough advantage.
 
It's pretty transparent really.

There is no way that this is for the betterment of football, it's solely the top 6 trying to tilt everything in their favour. Thing is, I don't have a strong opinion on it any more, a decade ago I'd have been aghast and yet now this just feels like a natural progression to the destruction of the current structure of top flight football.

Give it 20 more years and we'll be talking of a franchise type structure with relegation or promotion only allowed for certain clubs. It's hard to care really if you don't support one of the top clubs, fans of all others are just there to make up the numbers and when those numbers dwindle due to being served up trash for a couple of generations the PL will still be able to sell Man U vs Liverpool 5 times a season to a billion+ people in the world.

Seem to recall a lot of fans of certain clubs talking about the [HASHTAG]#integrity[/HASHTAG] of the game. Don't cry to me when they bring in play-offs to decide who wins the league.

#don'tmakemelaugh

It’s beyond snide to try and use this crisis to ram home their agenda under a completely false premise.

Fortunately they’ll need 14 votes to carry this, and if you’re not one of their ‘anointed’ chosen few, then why the **** would you fall for this?

Yeah we’ll have 9 clubs in the elite, until we decide to cut that to 6 and the chosen 6 vote for it. Bingo.

Yeah you can have a bigger slice of our TV revenue EFL, until we decide a year on that we don’t fancy that anymore and we’ll vote to reduce it.

A new owner who threatens to come in and boost one of the smaller clubs, no we’re not having that as it’ll threaten our position so we’ll vote it down.

And oh look, the TV deal is up for renewal we should maybe vote to give ourselves a much bigger slice of that cake, as we deserve it. Passed.

Get to ****, devious Sherman ****ers.
 
They're also trying to reduce the massive difference in revenue between PL and Championship clubs which drives relegation clubs to act irresponsibly

Oh you're absolutely correct. The aims behind funding the lower leagues and controlling irresponsible spending are all the right things to do. However, they could just do that. Everything else has been tied in so they can force through other things they want.

They could have been the good guys, instead they just show that it's solely a business to them. Don't fool yourself for even a moment that they are more bothered about you because you support one of the big teams, we are all only customers to them.
 
It’s beyond snide to try and use this crisis to ram home their agenda under a completely false premise.

Fortunately they’ll need 14 votes to carry this, and if you’re not one of their ‘anointed’ chosen few, then why the **** would you fall for this?

Yeah we’ll have 9 clubs in the elite, until we decide to cut that to 6 and the chosen 6 vote for it. Bingo.

Yeah you can have a bigger slice of our TV revenue EFL, until we decide a year on that we don’t fancy that anymore and we’ll vote to reduce it.

A new owner who threatens to come in and boost one of the smaller clubs, no we’re not having that as it’ll threaten our position so we’ll vote it down.

And oh look, the TV deal is up for renewal we should maybe vote to give ourselves a much bigger slice of that cake, as we deserve it. Passed.

Get to ****, devious Sherman ****ers.

The other 3 votes are effectively meaningless too if the 6 always stay together. Hopefully we see through it.

I think it's very possible to get other clubs on board though, those who will likely get relegated won't be hard to sway I'd imagine.
 
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Oh you're absolutely correct. The aims behind funding the lower leagues and controlling irresponsible spending are all the right things to do. However, they could just do that. Everything else has been tied in so they can force through other things they want.

They could have been the good guys, instead they just show that it's solely a business to them. Don't fool yourself for even a moment that they are more bothered about you because you support one of the big teams, we are all only customers to them.

Yeah but why should the PL give money to Championship clubs right now without some guarantees?

Imagine they all blow it in a season for the chance of promotion and then come back asking for more during next year's 4th Covid wave.
 
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It’s beyond snide to try and use this crisis to ram home their agenda under a completely false premise.

Fortunately they’ll need 14 votes to carry this, and if you’re not one of their ‘anointed’ chosen few, then why the **** would you fall for this?

Yeah we’ll have 9 clubs in the elite, until we decide to cut that to 6 and the chosen 6 vote for it. Bingo.

Yeah you can have a bigger slice of our TV revenue EFL, until we decide a year on that we don’t fancy that anymore and we’ll vote to reduce it.

A new owner who threatens to come in and boost one of the smaller clubs, no we’re not having that as it’ll threaten our position so we’ll vote it down.

And oh look, the TV deal is up for renewal we should maybe vote to give ourselves a much bigger slice of that cake, as we deserve it. Passed.

Get to ****, devious Sherman ****ers.

100% this. Anyone who cannot see the obvious future here, either thinks it's a good idea or doesn't want to see the issues. It's a "let's all look out for ourselves" manoeuvre framed in the context of helping others.

It's very reminiscent of:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
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Yeah but why should the PL give money to Championship clubs right now without some guarantees?

Imagine they all blow it in a season for the chance of promotion and then come back asking for more during next year's 4th Covid wave.

I 100% agree. That's not the issue though. The issue is why instead of just dealing with that there's a power grab in with the bargain.
 
The other 3 votes are effectively meaningless too if the 6 always stay together. Hopefully we see through it.

I think it's very possible to get other clubs on board though, those who will likely get relegated won't be hard to say I'd imagine.
Any current PL club who sees themselves as either relegation candidates or at risk of being a victim of the league being reduced by 2 isn’t going to fall for this imo.

I’d hope that my club isn’t that ****ing stupid either.
 
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Any current PL club who sees themselves as either relegation candidates or at risk of being a victim of the league being reduced by 2 isn’t going to fall for this imo.

I’d hope that my club isn’t that ****ing stupid either.

They might feel that they'll struggle to stay up long term anyway so may as well have some extra money to form their promotion campaigns.
 
They might feel that they'll struggle to stay up long term anyway so may as well have some extra money to form their promotion campaigns.

I suspect that if they think they can't survive in a 20 team league they'll be less confident in an 18 team league.
You just hope that the likes of Everton and Southampton who may initially benefit from this have the foresight to see the people they'd be getting into bed with. This is ruthless business decision that is to the detriment of football.
 
I suspect that if they think they can't survive in a 20 team league they'll be less confident in an 18 team league.
You just hope that the likes of Everton and Southampton who may initially benefit from this have the foresight to see the people they'd be getting into bed with. This is ruthless business decision that is to the detriment of football.

I don't think I'll ever give Saints another penny if we vote for it tbh. It'd only last until we're relegated anyway and the vote is meaningless if the top 6 side with each other (As I'm sure they will).
 
I 100% agree. That's not the issue though. The issue is why instead of just dealing with that there's a power grab in with the bargain.

If they change the top 6 veto to a top 9 veto then IMO the good things in the plan then vastly outweigh the bad
 
The parachute payments go under this proposal though.

Because the idea is they won't be needed with the extra revenue. Doubt there'd be large amount of clubs from the FL wanting it if it didn't benefit them. Though that could be L1 and L2 clubs in the main of course.

It's not like Rick Parry could have any other reason for possibly supporting this <whistle>
 
You should check your maths there.

Payments still exists they're just not called parachute any more. The Championship gets more money than now. Plus you continue to get merit-based pay on performance over 1-3 years.

Parachute payments are feature of a failed system and need replacing anyway.