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Jammy 07 said:
It's discrimination based on nationality and in my opinion is racist, although some people disagee and consider it a prejudice and a bias rather than a form of racism.

As it's prevalent in virtually every country in the world (in some form or other) I would say it's a vitally important aspect of trying to eradicate racism.
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Racism will never be eradicated, only improved, it's come a long way, and still has a long way more to go, the Marxist group BLM have imo made it worse.
 
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Irishshako said:
Bin Biden had to apologise, it doesn't mean he meant it. Just like the celebs apologising for b***king up, they did it so their careers weren't ruined.
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Of course it doesn’t mean he meant it. I’ve no idea if he’s just a touchy feely type bloke, getting smeared or a sex pest ... neither would surprise me.

I think some of the apologies for 'b***king up' were stomach churning.... 'I realise now it was inappropriate' etc. Either you think it's harmless fun or you think it's racist/in poor taste. You have to be pretty ignorant to need the BLM movement to enlighten your judgement - agree it looked like pitiful self interest career saving from most of them.
 
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lifecheshirewhite said:
Racism will never be eradicated, only improved, it's come a long way, and still has a long way more to go, the Marxist group BLM have imo made it worse.
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Agree with most of that. I have sympathy with the sentiments of BLM as a concept but don’t particularly like the name, or the way it’s been hijacked.

But the whole Marxist trouble makers thing? It’s a good headline. Its a shame that a legitimate cause gets given a bad press, that some extremists but mainly common criminals hide behind protests to cause trouble and alt right factions also get in to stir the pot. Whilst politicians and thought leaders chuck sound bites around for their followers to latch on to.

Here’s what appears to me to be a balanced opinion on BLM and Marxism.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/
 
milkyboy said:
Agree with most of that. I have sympathy with the sentiments of BLM as a concept but don’t particularly like the name, or the way it’s been hijacked.

But the whole Marxist trouble makers thing? It’s a good headline. Its a shame that a legitimate cause gets given a bad press, that some extremists but mainly common criminals hide behind protests to cause trouble and alt right factions also get in to stir the pot. Whilst politicians and thought leaders chuck sound bites around for their followers to latch on to.

Here’s what appears to me to be a balanced opinion on BLM and Marxism.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/
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BLM had the ched zone in Seatle for several weeks, they started extortion of White owned shops first day at gunpoint, and started murdering people within a week, no right wing, no one else at fault just them.
Run by a handful of millionaires, who don't pay tax but donate millions to the Democrats.
6 shootings in 10 days of no police utopia, so BLM have killed more Blacks than the Police.
 
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lifecheshirewhite said:
BLM had the ched zone in Seatle for several weeks, they started extortion of White owned shops first day at gunpoint, and started murdering people within a week, no right wing, no one else at fault just them.
Run by a handful of millionaires, who don't pay tax but donate millions to the Democrats.
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https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...ally-going-on-in-seattles-protest-zone-321507

it got nasty in the evenings later on as the assorted low life's moved in

passport to pimlico was altogether more civilised.
 
milkyboy said:
https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...ally-going-on-in-seattles-protest-zone-321507

it got nasty in the evenings later on as the assorted low life's moved in

passport to pimlico was altogether more civilised.
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You honestly believe that Milky, if you do give me a couple of thousand and I will make you a millionaire. The Police dept was shut, and for 10 days Police weren't allowed in, Democrats locally in power stopped any Police interference, 6 people were shot, some killed in a BLM controlled area, that isn't newspaper talk, people were shot and killed.
 
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lifecheshirewhite said:
You honestly believe that Milky, if you do give me a couple of thousand and I will make you a millionaire. The Police dept was shut, and for 10 days Police weren't allowed in, Democrats locally in power stopped any Police interference, 6 people were shot, some killed in a BLM controlled area, that isn't newspaper talk, people were shot and killed.
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I'm quoting from a source regarded as pretty independent. There were deaths, and any kind of police free state is madness in my opinion. But that's not the same as BLM orchestrating violence and murdering people is it?

So show me your source for extortion and BLM orchestrated murder. I'm happy to read it - i genuinely don't have a horse in the race. Just interested in the truth. The articles i've read paint a different picture to what you say. Essentially started very peacefully, turned to rat after a few weeks as it became a magnet for trouble makers and low lifes.

One of the victims for example claimed he was shot by an alt-right group.
 
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milkyboy said:
I'm quoting from a source regarded as pretty independent. There were deaths, and any kind of police free state is madness in my opinion. But that's not the same as BLM orchestrating violence and murdering people is it?

So show me your source for extortion and BLM orchestrated murder. I'm happy to read it - i genuinely don't have a horse in the race. Just interested in the truth. The articles i've read paint a different picture to what you say. Essentially started very peacefully, turned to rat after a few weeks as it became a magnet for trouble makers and low lifes.

One of the victims for example claimed he was shot by an alt-right group.
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There was armed BLM running the area, if you believe there was right wing groups in the area, think he said KKK lol yes I'm sure there were hooded KKK,guys in the BLM area,and santa with a few fairies.
BLM pay thugs to run their protests and the chez area, have you seen their latest pictures of armed mobs in combats with sub machine guns, no one does anything in there area,they took control and responsibility.
 
milkyboy said:
I can understand why you've felt uncomfortable, it comes across that you hold forthright opinions but don't like conflict and that's not an easy path to tread. You've made a number of points here that i want to comment on. It's debate and not personal.

Name calling/insults. I honestly can't say you are shy in labelling anyone who disagrees with you as looney left/snowflake.

Facts as you believe them. What are they facts or beliefs? You post a lot of right wing opinion ...or left wing opinion with a mocking comment.

You feel you have to be defensive if you’re right wing? Well you're hardly outnumbered on here are you! From what I can establish the only 3 regular posters on this thread who aren’t right wing since Jonny did a bunk are me, 2020 and Eric and from what I've read all fit into most sensible people’s idea of moderate/centrist. Certainly none have condoned violence or vandalism that i've seen, all have criticised corbyn/Labour as well as the right. If you're aiming this at the PC nature of society, I agree, there are people who are professionally offended on others behalves and personally, whilst i'm very anti prejudice in any form, I don't like how far the PC stuff has gone.

Biden is a joke. Again opinion not fact, but I'd agree he's too old for office, as is Trump.

Blame Culture. Completely agree, blame the EU for our problems, blame immigrants for lack of jobs. Blame culture exists in society at all levels, from all sides.

Hysterical MSM. You repeatedly bring up MSM bias agenda. Now I don't claim to be an expert on US politics but all I've read suggests there is no real left and right in the two party system. If you can categorise a broad spectrum of views like the democrats, they're liberal/centrist or often centre right - certainly no comparison to European left wing parties. There has been a move more left since Trump appeared but it’s a relative thing.
Is Biden a vote for hard left? Here's a reasonably dispassionate article on the subject.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-move-left-but-the-center-holds-11597429469

The US news outlets pander to their audience and advertisers, they all have a lead agenda but it’s arguably more financial than political and the audience sizes roughly cancel each other out anyway.

The UK has had a Tory dominated press for years, Sky is considered pretty straight shooting these days and the Beeb whilst undoubtedly having an Employee base that’s left of centre and individual presenters who may have forgotten what objectivity is, are hardly a left wing mouthpiece and get criticised by all parties.

In other words I think there is much in your post to take issue with.. but before I'm subjected to another response about accepting that others have different opinions ...I completely acknowledge your right to a different opinion. In fact I welcome differing opinions - disagreeing with them and stating why, doesn't mean you don't acknowledge a different path.

I read what you put on that PL board post and didn’t really have a problem with it. In my opinion your banning was an over-reaction to someone making an alternative case. And your voice has as much of a right to be heard as anyone else. So I don’t think that was 'your fault'.
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I was working yesterday evening and couldn't get on the site late last night.
It's not conflict if it's written, it's opinions. I'm not expecting to change anyone's mind but, as I said, I enjoy the debate so I'm not sure what you mean.
I was recommended to leave the PL board so did as was suggested in case I got banned. It wasn't fearing conflict.

I think the breaking point on the PL thread was Fox News. That exploded. I said that even though they are unapologetically Pro Trump they will offer an alternative view whereas CNN or MSNBC don't.
This exploded even though, and I stand by it, it is true. Just this morning I watched an interview with the Biden campaign manager where she is given plenty of time to answer. On their discussion pieces they will have a Democrat.
This does not happen on the others. Watch Chris Cuomo interview Kayleigh McEnany, "if you're not going to admit that Trump is a liar then I have no respect for you" or words to that effect.

You can see why I got banned:emoticon-0169-dance
 
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I said Biden is a joke because he's a 78 year old career politician.

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This guy is credible. I don't agree with a lot of his policies but he is coherent, he's a successful businessman and he has democratic policies the people could support.
He wouldn't be hiding away but he's had to get behind Biden.
The Democrats need to wake up
 
milkyboy said:
Of course it doesn’t mean he meant it. I’ve no idea if he’s just a touchy feely type bloke, getting smeared or a sex pest ... neither would surprise me.

I think some of the apologies for 'b***king up' were stomach churning.... 'I realise now it was inappropriate' etc. Either you think it's harmless fun or you think it's racist/in poor taste. You have to be pretty ignorant to need the BLM movement to enlighten your judgement - agree it looked like pitiful self interest career saving from most of them.
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I think we agree on something. :grin:
 
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