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I'm not actually against a contributions based healthcare system, but the bar needs to be set really high and I mean those who earn over £100k per year. And even then I would have it on a sliding scale, so the more you earn, the bigger percentage you contribute. The way I see it, those on wages that are quadruple or more than the average can afford to contribute more to public services. I know some people will say, they pay higher taxes anyway, but it doesn't correlate to the actual costs of healthcare. I know it's a generalisation, but you'll find that the wealthy already pay into private medical insurance, so it's not an alien concept to them.

It doesn't sit easy with me, because I'm a staunch Bevanite that believes in the concept of free healthcare for all, but it's pretty clear that the NHS needs far bigger financial input to be effective going forward.

As for the US, their healthcare system is horrendously punitive. My friends in Ventura pay something like $1200 per month for basic healthcare and that only covers them for emergencies. Routine trips to the GP are extra and so is any ongoing treatment. They aren't wealthy. She's a baker and he's a radio editor, very much on the average American wage.

Although I can’t Claim to know too much about it, I think Germany has the right answer. A dedicated healthcare tax set at 8% of your salary, so the high end earners pay a bit more, combined with central government funding.
 
I'm not actually against a contributions based healthcare system, but the bar needs to be set really high and I mean those who earn over £100k per year. And even then I would have it on a sliding scale, so the more you earn, the bigger percentage you contribute. The way I see it, those on wages that are quadruple or more than the average can afford to contribute more to public services. I know some people will say, they pay higher taxes anyway, but it doesn't correlate to the actual costs of healthcare. I know it's a generalisation, but you'll find that the wealthy already pay into private medical insurance, so it's not an alien concept to them.

It doesn't sit easy with me, because I'm a staunch Bevanite that believes in the concept of free healthcare for all, but it's pretty clear that the NHS needs far bigger financial input to be effective going forward.

As for the US, their healthcare system is horrendously punitive. My friends in Ventura pay something like $1200 per month for basic healthcare and that only covers them for emergencies. Routine trips to the GP are extra and so is any ongoing treatment. They aren't wealthy. She's a baker and he's a radio editor, very much on the average American wage.

Overall I'm fairly centralist in my politics with a leftward lean but I do have some concerns over everything scaling upwards when people earn more money - morally it's clearly correct but in practical terms can cause issues.

As an example as it just happens to be a situation I know about but I'm sure there's others. High earning doctors in this country will be on over £100k (senior consultants and surgeons) and I've got no major issue with that (they'd get paid more elsewhere - like the USA for instance) but given the higher contributions that kick for a multitude of things (higher pensions contributions, etc.) once they get past around the £110k mark they only actually keep 13p in every £1 they earn as the combined deductions are 87%.

It means that if you want to get them to come in and do extra shifts or cover for absence then even if on paper it's good money the additional take home is not. Clearly it's hard to have any real sympathy for someone who is earning that much money but you can see it would be very difficult to convince them it's in their best interests to help out with extra work (as has been the case currently with Covid) as realistically you're asking them to do it out of goodwill rather than for extra money.
 
Oh look, here he is putting forward all he has - racism.

The ‘birther’ trope again. Same as they lobbed at Obama. Utter ****s.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53774289

Trump is absolute scum. He has such a deep-rooted racism and tries to hide behind a "it's just what I've been told" defence. I would be terrible at politics as I'd end up saying "So I heard today that Trump has hideous child p*rn, I mean really sick stuff, I can't even tell you about it it's so bad. It's just what I've heard from lots of reliable people and the FBI are looking into it so I can't say any more". It seems a proportionate response to be honest, although the birther thing is clearly nonsense whereas the nonce stuff... who can say.
 
Trump is absolute scum. He has such a deep-rooted racism and tries to hide behind a "it's just what I've been told" defence. I would be terrible at politics as I'd end up saying "So I heard today that Trump has hideous child p*rn, I mean really sick stuff, I can't even tell you about it it's so bad. It's just what I've heard from lots of reliable people and the FBI are looking into it so I can't say any more". It seems a proportionate response to be honest, although the birther thing is clearly nonsense whereas the nonce stuff... who can say.

Making **** up and floating it out there without actually putting your own name to it. Standard Bannon inspired tactics. Bannon should be lobbed in Tel’s wood chipper.
 
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If he loses, he’ll resign before leaving office and Pence will give him a full pardon. Just watch.

There will definitely be a few of his administration scrambling for safety. Be interesting to see who gets thrown under the bus and how quickly others distance themselves from Trump.
I think many will be trying to save their own skins to worry about saving Trump.
 
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There will definitely be a few of his administration scrambling for safety. Be interesting to see who gets thrown under the bus and how quickly others distance themselves from Trump.
I think many will be trying to save their own skins to worry about saving Trump.

It’d be box office to watch, as they know the minute they’re out of office the skeletons will come clonking out of the closets and they’ll be completely exposed. Which given the level of privilege and power we’re talking about, makes their shameless and now open, attempts to blatantly cheat, grow ever more desperate.
 
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On raising more money for the NHS one obvious way is to remove loads of the prescription charge exemptions for example Diabetes as it a complete nonsense imo to have some conditions exempted & not others . There is also the fact that some of the exemptions for treatments / equipment don't include more recent alternatives .
 
On raising more money for the NHS one obvious way is to remove loads of the prescription charge exemptions for example Diabetes as it a complete nonsense imo to have some conditions exempted & not others . There is also the fact that some of the exemptions for treatments / equipment don't include more recent alternatives .
A completely false economy that, as you’d increase the cost to the NHS as a direct result.

https://www.pharmaceutical-journal....ndnbspwealth/20203213.article?firstPass=false
 
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On raising more money for the NHS one obvious way is to remove loads of the prescription charge exemptions for example Diabetes as it a complete nonsense imo to have some conditions exempted & not others . There is also the fact that some of the exemptions for treatments / equipment don't include more recent alternatives .

No prescription charges in Wales mate ...
 
disagree and i take that report with a pinch of salt as it looks like it was commisioned to produce the reported effect to try and get RA and other long term conditions added to the exemption list or free prescriptions for all .
You’re choosing to decry it as it doesn’t correlate with your assertion mate.
 
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