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rangercol said:
My point about crowded trains was to do with people packing them out because they just HAD to visit the beach on a sunny day.
It's a pandemic for ****'s sake.
Give crowded trains and beaches etc a miss.
If you have to use a train for work that's different although if I used a train to get to work, I'd do all I could to avoid those journeys. If that's unavoidable, then fair enough.
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What if you’ve found an empty train to get you to the beach but upon arrival it doesn’t meet the arbitrary beach population density threshold of safety?
 
rangercol said:
My point about crowded trains was to do with people packing them out because they just HAD to visit the beach on a sunny day.
It's a pandemic for ****'s sake.
Give crowded trains and beaches etc a miss.
If you have to use a train for work that's different although if I used a train to get to work, I'd do all I could to avoid those journeys. If that's unavoidable, then fair enough.
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I never understand people who are happy to sit in traffic - or stand on a train - for hours just to go to a beach when it's sunny

I'm heading off on my staycation when all the kids are back at school
 
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StortfordQPR said:
I never understand people who are happy to sit in traffic - or stand on a train - for hours just to go to a beach when it's sunny

I'm heading off on my staycation when all the kids are back at school
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Me neither, even when there isn't a pandemic.
It seems that a lot of people just HAVE to do what they've always done.
Some of the morons I've heard interviewed at the beach are just stupid and selfish.
 
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rangercol said:
Me neither, even when there isn't a pandemic.
It seems that a lot of people just HAVE to do what they've always done.
Some of the morons I've heard interviewed at the beach are just stupid and selfish.
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This is getting weird. I described my seaside experience to you and you said it was all fine and good, yet you still keep banging on on about selfish morons. Why shouldn't people go to the beach for ****'s sake? Or sit in a park for that matter? It's extremely unlikely that anyone is going be infected in the open air.
 
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To put the picture straight as to the demonstrations in Berlin today - there were 20,000 involved whith seperate neo Nazi groups organizing it together with Querdenken 711. There were counter demonstrations under the motto ''Omas gegen Rechts'' (Grannies against the right), and ''Berlin gegen Nazis''. The covid 19 demonstrations in Germany appear to have been hijacked by political groups wanting to cash in on people's frustrations. Those who campaign to throw away their masks should realize that they are a danger to public health and are the main reason why this whole debacle is not coming to an end !
 
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Stroller said:
This is getting weird. I described my seaside experience to you and you said it was all fine and good, yet you still keep banging on on about selfish morons. Why shouldn't people go to the beach for ****'s sake? Or sit in a park for that matter? It's extremely unlikely that anyone is going be infected in the open air.
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If people have got plenty of outside private space then there’d be little incentive to schlep to a beach. I’m not going to judge people for literally doing what the government has told them to do on the hottest day of the year rather than just stay in a flat.
 
Stroller said:
This is getting weird. I described my seaside experience to you and you said it was all fine and good, yet you still keep banging on on about selfish morons. Why shouldn't people go to the beach for ****'s sake? Or sit in a park for that matter? It's extremely unlikely that anyone is going be infected in the open air.
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And I agreed that your seaside experience, as you described it was all good.
Presumably, where you went, wasn't particularly popular.
The reports from places like Bournemouth, Brighton and the South West differ a great deal from your version of events. Even outside, there's more chance of catching or passing on the virus when very close to others than when in your garden etc.
Look, all I'm saying is that, in my opinion, people should use their common sense so that we can get this **** done asap.
You made it very clear that you didn't agree with any of the restrictions from the outset and that you were determined to keep going to the pub etc.
I find that attitude selfish and hard to comprehend, but hey, each to their own.
 
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Stroller said:
Is everyone clear, though? We're being told to 'staycation' aren't we? For most people that would include a trip to the beach, but those doing this seem to engender outrage from some on here. There was much more social distancing on Margate beach on Thursday than there is in my local Aldi on any given day.
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Come on. This is getting a bit tedious. You may pretend that confusing messaging excuses all stupidity and selfishness. It doesn't. Staycation does not mean. "Do what you want, where you want to and regardless of the fact that someone might have got there before you." Poor messaging does not enable you to disengage brain and stop thinking for yourself. Take the time to think about the heath and safety of others if you must although it should be instinctive. Freedom is fine if you can be trusted to show some responsibility. All I keep thinking of (as it is the bulk of my work currently) is that there are going to be a huge number of people losing their jobs without the government scheme to protect them. Some of those would have been lost anyway but I can't help thinking the number would be much smaller if people stopped thinking just about themselves. So the last few months have been tough or boring. Get over it. You don't need Boris Johnson to tell you how to behave.
 
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YorkshireHoopster said:
Come on. This is getting a bit tedious. You may pretend that confusing messaging excuses all stupidity and selfishness. It doesn't. Staycation does not mean. "Do what you want, where you want to and regardless of the fact that someone might have got there before you." Poor messaging does not enable you to disengage brain and stop thinking for yourself. Take the time to think about the heath and safety of others if you must although it should be instinctive. Freedom is fine if you can be trusted to show some responsibility. All I keep thinking of (as it is the bulk of my work currently) is that there are going to be a huge number of people losing their jobs without the government scheme to protect them. Some of those would have been lost anyway but I can't help thinking the number would be much smaller if people stopped thinking just about themselves. So the last few months have been tough or boring. Get over it. You don't need Boris Johnson to tell you how to behave.
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You're absolutely right, I don't need anyone to tell me how to behave, least of all Boris Johnson - or you.
 
YorkshireHoopster said:
Come on. This is getting a bit tedious. You may pretend that confusing messaging excuses all stupidity and selfishness. It doesn't. Staycation does not mean. "Do what you want, where you want to and regardless of the fact that someone might have got there before you." Poor messaging does not enable you to disengage brain and stop thinking for yourself. Take the time to think about the heath and safety of others if you must although it should be instinctive. Freedom is fine if you can be trusted to show some responsibility. All I keep thinking of (as it is the bulk of my work currently) is that there are going to be a huge number of people losing their jobs without the government scheme to protect them. Some of those would have been lost anyway but I can't help thinking the number would be much smaller if people stopped thinking just about themselves. So the last few months have been tough or boring. Get over it. You don't need Boris Johnson to tell you how to behave.
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Excellent post.
 
YorkshireHoopster said:
Come on. This is getting a bit tedious. You may pretend that confusing messaging excuses all stupidity and selfishness. It doesn't. Staycation does not mean. "Do what you want, where you want to and regardless of the fact that someone might have got there before you." Poor messaging does not enable you to disengage brain and stop thinking for yourself. Take the time to think about the heath and safety of others if you must although it should be instinctive. Freedom is fine if you can be trusted to show some responsibility. All I keep thinking of (as it is the bulk of my work currently) is that there are going to be a huge number of people losing their jobs without the government scheme to protect them. Some of those would have been lost anyway but I can't help thinking the number would be much smaller if people stopped thinking just about themselves. So the last few months have been tough or boring. Get over it. You don't need Boris Johnson to tell you how to behave.
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Tough and boring is fine. Inconsistent, arbitrary and unnecessarily vilifying innocent people I’m not such a fan of especially when their incompetence has proven to be literally the worst on the continent.
 
rangercol said:
And I agreed that your seaside experience, as you described it was all good.
Presumably, where you went, wasn't particularly popular.
The reports from places like Bournemouth, Brighton and the South West differ a great deal from your version of events. Even outside, there's more chance of catching or passing on the virus when very close to others than when in your garden etc.
Look, all I'm saying is that, in my opinion, people should use their common sense so that we can get this **** done asap.
You made it very clear that you didn't agree with any of the restrictions from the outset and that you were determined to keep going to the pub etc.
I find that attitude selfish and hard to comprehend, but hey, each to their own.
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I did disagree with the lockdown at first, but came round to the need for some restrictions to 'flatten the curve'. To say that I didn't agree with any of the restrictions is therefore untrue. Some might go so far as to say that you've posted a lie about me, but I won't get all huffy about it and start a separate thread to draw attention to how hard done by I am.
 
Looking at the simple facts, this is a virus spread by close contact. It is a virus that can kill. Why people seem to think they can simply ignore those facts and not take precautions to try and negate it's spread is beyond me but so many are doing just that and moaning endlessly about all the restrictions and confusing info. Nothing has changed, the virus is still prevalent and it can still kill, the more contacts you have the higher your chances of catching it. It really isn't rocket science. Until there is a vaccine nothing will change...
 
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Sooperhoop said:
Looking at the simple facts, this is a virus spread by close contact. It is a virus that can kill. Why people seem to think they can simply ignore those facts and not take precautions to try and negate it's spread is beyond me but so many are doing just that and moaning endlessly about all the restrictions and confusing info. Nothing has changed, the virus is still prevalent and it can still kill, the more contacts you have the higher your chances of catching it. It really isn't rocket science. Until there is a vaccine nothing will change...
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Couldn't agree more with that. With furlough ending, shielding people ended, pubs open, schools about to open, people encouraged not to work from home anymore etc etc then is it any wonder that the rates of infection are increasing. I love the narrative that this second wave is heading to us from Europe! Erm....we haven't even dealt with the first wave yet!
 
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