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A place to measure the outcome of VAR events this season.
Not whether the match officials were correct etc, merely to document the event,
and see whether the age-old bias grievances are being thinned down.

The method I will use is that each data item is :

Match week / Team A vs Team B / rank A / rank B / event / decision / against (A or B)

For the first half of the season, the ranking value I will use is the final PL table
position for the season before. After that I will use the current PL table position.

I will group the events by month.

So keep your eyes out for VAR events that are not deemed to be contentious or
any games not deemed to be "high profile" .
 
August 2019 :

1 / Wolves vs Leicester / 9 / 7 / handball / goal disallowed / 7.
2 / Citeh vs Spurs / 1 / 4 / handball / goal disallowed / 1.
 
Have a look at this debacle from the Australian A League today and tell me the officials haven't lost the plot.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/footba...s/news-story/87fa1af33c2be7b174bc6a3c2ad28d78

VAR was absolutely savaged by the Jets’ coach. Then it delivered an even worse controversy
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  • November 9, 2019 10:14pm
  • by ZAC RAYSON
  • Source: FOX SPORTS
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Scott McDonald (R) had a potential goal ruled out in a highly controversial VAR decision.Source: Getty Images
VAR stole the headlines on a chilly night as Western United hosted Western Sydney Wanderers, with another goal line decision leaving fans utterly dumbfounded.
Meanwhile Newcastle coach Ernie Merrick delivered an almighty spray at the VAR after a decision denied his side a penalty in a 1-1 draw with Perth eaerleir on Sautrday.

In the later match, the game was poised at 1-1 in the second term when Western United’s veteran Australian striker Scott McDonald sent a bullet header towards goal from close range, only to hit the midriff of Wanderers keeper Daniel Lopar.

But the process of catching the ball arguably took it over the line, with McDonald vocally leading Western United’s appeals for a goal.




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VAR denies yet another!


The referee was not convinced, and VAR immediately undertook a review.

But the review occurred in rather ridiculous fashion, with VAR ‘drawing a line’ across the goal line and then vertically up to the ball in an attempt to prove the ball had not crossed the line.

That left many on social media wondering why the line was ruled through the middle of the goal line rather than the rear edge – since the ball had to completely cross the whole line and not just the middle to be a goal.

After nearly five minutes of deliberation, the referees confirmed the decision of no goal.

It is the second time in three weeks that VAR has had to rule on a controversial goal line call, with a Sydney derby goal also being denied by the referee (and leading to Robbie Slater’s entertaining post-match recreation).


Why isn’t the line on the edge?

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Brenton Speed

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Wrong... tell the var to put it in the right place and give the goal! Only refs would think that’s not a goal! https://twitter.com/condonluke/status/1193116381392207872 …

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Blurry vision and blue line is not in the right position. Ref was right not to change the decision.



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simonhill1894

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Do I need stronger glasses? Was that McDonald header not over the line?
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FootballFocusAU@FootballFocusAU

Thoughts? I’ve used Instagram, which admittedly is better tech than VAR, but still, you get the picture.

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Saturday’s earlier match also saw its fair share of VAR controversy, after Newcastle were denied an early penalty for a push on Nick Fitzgerald in the box.

The referee on-field, Jonathan Barreiro, decided it was no penalty. VAR eventually agreed.



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Jets blow up at VAR call

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Newcastle manager Ernie Merrick sent a stunning spray the referee’s direction in his post-match press-conference.

“Before we start, let’s get the penalty out of the way. Have you ever seen a more blatant penalty? A push in the back, extended arm in the penalty box. How is that not a penalty?” Merrick said.

Merrick was seen talking to the referee at half-time, but said he hadn’t received any clarification.

“When he wasn’t speaking Spanish, yes I spoke to him,” Merrick said.

“He speaks a lot of Spanish during the games and talks to the opposition a lot in Spanish. We’re in Australia, I would have thought he would be speaking English most of the time so we can all hear what he’s saying to his mates.”
 
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humanbeingincroydon said:
Can't think why I had the urge to look for this thread again...
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Funny that ... cos the mail had an article on the weekend claiming we would be 7 points worse off without VAR. They included the Sheffield United offside (gained us 1 point), the Watford penalty not given (gained us 1 point), the Everton penalty not given (gained us 1 point), the Man Utd penalty ruled out (which was the correct decision) ...(gained us 1 point) I am not sure what else.
However they ignored the Newcastle penalty not given (cost us 1 point) the Bournemouth penalty not given (cost us 2 points), Robertson not being sent for Liverpool at the Lane (may have cost us) , Son being sent off v Everton (msy have cost us 2 points), the Sheffield United disallowed goal and their player not being sent off (cost us either 1 or 3 points), Son's goal v Leicester (definitely cost us 1 point ...possibly 3)
These are just off the top of my head.
 
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remembercolinlee said:
Funny that ... cos the mail had an article on the weekend claiming we would be 7 points worse off without VAR. They included the Sheffield United offside (gained us 1 point), the Watford penalty not given (gained us 1 point), the Everton penalty not given (gained us 1 point), the Man Utd penalty ruled out (which was the correct decision) ...(gained us 1 point) I am not sure what else.
However they ignored the Newcastle penalty not given (cost us 1 point) the Bournemouth penalty not given (cost us 2 points), Robertson not being sent for Liverpool at the Lane (may have cost us) , Son being sent off v Everton (msy have cost us 2 points), the Sheffield United disallowed goal and their player not being sent off (cost us either 1 or 3 points), Son's goal v Leicester (definitely cost us 1 point ...possibly 3)
These are just off the top of my head.
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I can remember 2 penalties not given at the Degenerates, Dele rugby tackled and Kane shoved in the back, another 2 points taken away there. We have seen other clubs given penalties for far far less.
 
remembercolinlee said:
Funny that ... cos the mail had an article on the weekend claiming we would be 7 points worse off without VAR. They included the Sheffield United offside (gained us 1 point), the Watford penalty not given (gained us 1 point), the Everton penalty not given (gained us 1 point), the Man Utd penalty ruled out (which was the correct decision) ...(gained us 1 point) I am not sure what else.
However they ignored the Newcastle penalty not given (cost us 1 point) the Bournemouth penalty not given (cost us 2 points), Robertson not being sent for Liverpool at the Lane (may have cost us) , Son being sent off v Everton (msy have cost us 2 points), the Sheffield United disallowed goal and their player not being sent off (cost us either 1 or 3 points), Son's goal v Leicester (definitely cost us 1 point ...possibly 3)
These are just off the top of my head.
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There are two different methods. The one quoted tries to measure whether each decision is objectively right. The Mail one just compares decisions changed by VaR. So the Bournemouth non penalty counts as a denied goal in the first method and nothing at all in the second one. Conversely the second Man U penalty counts as nothing in the first as the correct decision was made but is considered to be a gain for us in the second as the decision was overturned.
 
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PowerSpurs said:
There are two different methods. The one quoted tries to measure whether each decision is objectively right. The Mail one just compares decisions changed by VaR. So the Bournemouth non penalty counts as a denied goal in the first method and nothing at all in the second one. Conversely the second Man U penalty counts as nothing in the first as the correct decision was made but is considered to be a gain for us in the second as the decision was overturned.
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So the one in the mail is basically bollocks - now there's a surprise
 
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None of these reviews of who gained and lost what because of VAR are actually particularly valid because if any of the decisions made had been given the other way they change the dynamic of that match from that moment on.

The most obvious of these was the Aurier goal chalked off for us at Leicester for one of the many ridiculously ludicrous offside decisions that VAR gave. That was a complete game changer it was the first time that I had seen a goal being chalked off raise an opposing team and crowd so much, the decision won Leicester the match without question, their body language at 2-0 down was that off a beaten team and the crowd were flat, the moment that the decision to disallow game up on the screen was the metaphorical equivalent of them scoring, the crowd was suddenly back in the game and so were they.

Likewise the Penalty not given v Newcastle if we get the pen its likely (but not certain) that Harry scores from that moment on with similar momentum that I describe above for Leicester it's likely that we go on and win the game.
 
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So, the Premier League are set to remove the lines drawn when the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) checks for offside from next season to help fans understand the process more clearly.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8597885/Premier-League-stop-drawing-offside-lines-VAR-decisions.html#:~:text=The Premier League are set,clearly, according to The Mirror.&text=The move to remove the,does not show the lines.

In other words, they are admitting that there is inconsistency and bias in how VAR is being implemented and want to remove part of the process so fans can not see what decisions are actually being made. Eliminate part of what the fans can see, so their incompetence, inconsistency and bias is not as noticeable.
 
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Billy The Yid said:
So, the Premier League are set to remove the lines drawn when the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) checks for offside from next season to help fans understand the process more clearly.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8597885/Premier-League-stop-drawing-offside-lines-VAR-decisions.html#:~:text=The Premier League are set,clearly, according to The Mirror.&text=The move to remove the,does not show the lines.

In other words, they are admitting that there is inconsistency and bias in how VAR is being implemented and want to remove part of the process so fans can not see what decisions are actually being made. Eliminate part of what the fans can see, so their incompetence, inconsistency and bias is not as noticeable.
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That's typical of the Premier League. People aren't complaining about the ****ing lines, they're complaining about the decisions.
Will they change anything? Nope. They'll just stop people from seeing how they've come to conclusions. That'll help. <doh>
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
That's typical of the Premier League. People aren't complaining about the ****ing lines, they're complaining about the decisions.
Will they change anything? Nope. They'll just stop people from seeing how they've come to conclusions. That'll help. <doh>
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It's like how we were banned from showing replays on our big screens because 36,000 people saw a blatant Man Utd dive but the referee didn't
 
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