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[lifecheshirewhite]

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Nothing against the opinions expressed Chesh but we do have a poster who communicates via excessive video usage to the point where it has become tedious, sorry no offence meant DMD,

Is that a reason to want to ban him, it's not tedious to me, as I only watch probably 10% of his video's, as with the video DMD has posted, some are very interesting to watch, and I don't need anyone telling me which I can and can't watch.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

It's like the privalaged man in North Yorkshire saying all Whites are privileged because he is, go tell that to the child born into poverty, Colour has no meaning, if your mother can't put food on the table, you're not privalaged.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

No offence taken. I simply wanted to offer the views of people that are well informed on the subject, and that can word it better than I can. Sadly, doing that makes some people uncomfortable with the content as it forces them to re-evaluate their world view, so they try to do what they can to change the conversation. It usually results in appeals of 'racism' to try to shut down the conversation, which is sad, as it means the plight of those at the lower end of society doesn't get looked at fully.

Division is a key tactic for some political groups, as their goal is not related to the advancement of their fellow man to the benefit of society in general.

I watched the video and yes that's one person view, is it because she is a Republican, is it because the Democrats always bring up race at election time, I don't know. If she is saying it is lack of education or the proliferation of one parent families that are the issue then and that is a consensus then put plans in place to address these issues. For my part I don't think that this is a free pass for us, I still think the playing field needs to be addressed, even if it is not at the top of the list.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

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Is that a reason to want to ban him, it's not tedious to me, as I only watch probably 10% of his video's, as with the video DMD has posted, some are very interesting to watch, and I don't need anyone telling me which I can and can't watch.

I didn't know he had been banned.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

I didn't know he had been banned.

He hasn't, but some are pushing for it constantly, if it wasn't for the few who defend his right to post and believe in equality he would have been.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

He hasn't, but some are pushing for it constantly, if it wasn't for the few who defend his right to post and believe in equality he would have been.

Congratulations

 

[DMD]

I watched the video and yes that's one person view, is it because she is a Republican, is it because the Democrats always bring up race at election time, I don't know. If she is saying it is lack of education or the proliferation of one parent families that are the issue then and that is a consensus then put plans in place to address these issues. For my part I don't think that this is a free pass for us, I still think the playing field needs to be addressed, even if it is not at the top of the list.

I think she is a republican because she has those views, rather than the other way round. She has also looked very deeply (as have others) into the history of the democrat party as well as the Republican party which was created to tackle the democrats pro-slavery position. Using the criteria applied when deciding which statues to pull down, the democrats should be pulled over.

I think the key point is, if you focus solely on the issue of skin colour, you would miss the bulk of the problem. If you addressed the key issues, then the issues around skin colour would be addressed as well.

Those plans you suggest are put in place, are being put in place by the current President. The objections and obstacles to it tend to come from the democrat side.

If the goal is truly a more equal society, focusing solely or primarily on skin colour is a poor measure, and is itself a racist approach that would leave many others in weak positions.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

Congratulations

 

[Eric Le Merde]

I think she is a republican because she has those views, rather than the other way round. She has also looked very deeply (as have others) into the history of the democrat party as well as the Republican party which was created to tackle the democrats pro-slavery position. Using the criteria applied when deciding which statues to pull down, the democrats should be pulled over.

I think the key point is, if you focus solely on the issue of skin colour, you would miss the bulk of the problem. If you addressed the key issues, then the issues around skin colour would be addressed as well.

If the goal is truly a more equal society, focusing solely or primarily on skin colour is a poor measure, and is itself a racist approach that would leave many others in weak positions.

As discussed earlier I wasn't referring to privilege based on anything other than inherited opportunity.

 

[DMD]

As discussed earlier I wasn't referring to privilege based on anything other than inherited opportunity.

And there are plenty of people of colour who hold the views I have expressed. Candace Owens is far from a lone voice. Address the underlying issues for what they are, and the issues of skin colour (if they exist) would be addressed as well. That would be an equal and inclusive approach, and as annoying and uncomfortable as some find it to hear, is what the current President is trying to do, despite the objections from democrats. The figures show that his measures are working, with criteria like black employment, income and education at an all time high.

I suspect that some groups have seen that, and why they feel the need to stoke the fires to create civil unrest and division.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

And there are plenty of people of colour who hold the views I have expressed. Candace Owens is far from a lone voice. Address the underlying issues for what they are, and the issues of skin colour (if they exist) would be addressed as well. That would be an equal and inclusive approach, and as annoying and uncomfortable as some find it to hear, is what the current President is trying to do, despite the objections from democrats. The figures show that his measures are working, with criteria like black employment, income and education at an all time high.

You've got me there I am not impartial about Trump, but there you go nobody is perfect.

 

[DMD]

You've got me there I am not impartial about Trump, but there you go nobody is perfect.

There are many things Trump can be criticised for, the same as all politicians, but on the issues of black America, I think a look at his policies and the outcomes would leave you agreeing he's at least heading in the right direction.

Now there is a discussion to be had on why he's doing it, as the consequence is that it takes the black vote away from the Democrats, who have relied on it, and developed a system to keep people down, that has resulted in blacks being in poverty, and relying on Government hand outs to help them survive the government measures, usually just before election time.

For some, the issue isn't about equality as much as it's about a dislike of Trump. For others, it's about their own need for power.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

You've got me there I am not impartial about Trump, but there you go nobody is perfect.

Before covid, American black employment was at it's highest ever numbers.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

There are many things Trump can be criticised for, the same as all politicians, but on the issues of black America, I think a look at his policies and the outcomes would leave you agreeing he's at least heading in the right direction.

Now there is a discussion to be had on why he's doing it, as the consequence is that it takes the black vote away from the Democrats, who have relied on it, and developed a system to keep people down, that has resulted in blacks being in poverty, and relying on Government hand outs to help them survive the government measures, usually just before election time.

For some, the issue isn't about equality as much as it's about a dislike of Trump. For others, it's about their own need for power.

Before covid, American black employment was at it's highest ever numbers.

I just don't like him because he lies, takes no responsibility but wants all the glory.

Employment was at it's highest, so was the stock market etc etc but you have to manage what is in front of you. He was working up to a winning position, unfortunately, and dropped the ball. The Democrats haven't got a strong candidate as they didn't see covid-19 coming either and so we have the inept against the liar to rule the free world, what a wonderful option

 

[DMD]

I just don't like him because he lies, takes no responsibility but wants all the glory.

Employment was at it's highest, so was the stock market etc etc but you have to manage what is in front of you. He was working up to a winning position, unfortunately, and dropped the ball. The Democrats haven't got a strong candidate as they didn't see covid-19 coming either and so we have the inept against the liar to rule the free world, what a wonderful option

That may or may not be true, but it doesn't alter the key fact relating to this topic, that his measures have improved the lot of black americans, by supporting them to support themselves and progress, along with others that are in the same situation.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

That may or may not be true, but it doesn't alter the key fact relating to this topic, that his measures have improved the lot of black americans, by supporting them to support themselves and progress, along with others that are in the same situation.

I said employment was at it's highest that includes white, green, pink, black, yellow, and any other shade. It doesn't mean that he is the best person for Americans unless being good for business is the key parameter. I guess we will find out in November when the people who are able to vote decide. That is if Trump accepts that postal votes are legitimate.

 

[DMD]

I said employment was at it's highest that includes white, green, pink, black, yellow, and any other shade. It doesn't mean that he is the best person for Americans unless being good for business is the key parameter. I guess we will find out in November when the people who are able to vote decide. That is if Trump accepts that postal votes are legitimate.

In November, we'll find out who people vote for, that is not the same as looking to see if his policies address the issues of black america or if so called 'white privilege' exists in reality.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

In November, we'll find out who people vote for, that is not the same as looking to see if his policies address the issues of black america.

I don't live there and I wouldn't assume that I can understand, as an outsider, if his policies are good or bad. From my external perspective I don't think accusing people who are opposed to him as terrorists is good but then armed left wing militia on the streets isn't good either. He is the president and with that job comes responsibility and currently he is responsible for a big mess domestically, many people dying and civil unrest. I do hope he isn't stirring up international tensions to deflect attention.

 

[blonogasoven]

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I've watched a lot of Candace Owens. I also watch Larry Elder and Kayleigh McEnany handles the press better than any of our UK Politicians.
In a country of 250m people are Biden and Trump the only credible presidential candidates? It's ridiculous.

Can I suggest that posters start an argument thread where they can argue with each other so we can keep this thread for comment? I've just read 10 pages of this and maybe 3 of those were constructive.

 

[DMD]

I don't live there and I wouldn't assume that I can understand, as an outsider, if his policies are good or bad. From my external perspective I don't think accusing people who are opposed to him as terrorists is good but then armed left wing militia on the streets isn't good either. He is the president and with that job comes responsibility and currently he is responsible for a big mess domestically, many people dying and civil unrest. I do hope he isn't stirring up international tensions to deflect attention.

I would argue that a fair amount of that 'mess' is generated by those that oppose him, and in particular his policies that actually empower those that are prepared to take responsibility for their own lives, rather than being dependent on the state.