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[Quesadaad]

I'm reading it to as prison. However, I have known, at later stages for inmates to be moved to a hospital (ie Broadmoor?). I don't know what circumstances prompt that change.

I would have thought all mental evaluations etc would be done before sentencing?
I would have thought an indefinite sentence in a mental health unit. Doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[Chief]

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Great response.

Point proven.

 

[brb]

Great response.

Point proven.

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[Solid Air 2]

umm
however one could argue that they don't need to suffocate us at birth as they just terminate us .

You are right to touch on disabled people, there used to be another attitude from decades ago, that use to suggest they should have been suffocated at birth or were being punished for sins in a previous life... https://www.theguardian.com/football/1999/jan/30/newsstory.sport7

Whether it's race, disability or mental health, some attitudes still exist, that shouldn't exist, if you are not 'normal.' We have slowly changed the tide on racism and equality for disabled people. I believe mental health is still in the dark ages, as those other two aspects used to be, demonstrated by some comments on here, of those who also think it's some kind of a joke. People used to laugh at racist programmes in the 70's. These days we have people thinking MH is some kind of joke and you should be ridiculed if you dare speak out. I could imagine the uproar, if I had that attitude towards BLM.

on a point of order M'lud may i respectfully point out that Disabled People (as a term) includes those with mental health issues by law .
I would suggest that it is more accurate to say the rate of progress , for groups under the umbrella term of disabled people , is uneven .
I'm always intrigued by the fact certain deaf people insist that they are not disabled but just use a different language .

 

[Tobes]

I'm reading it to as prison. However, I have known, at later stages for inmates to be moved to a hospital (ie Broadmoor?). I don't know what circumstances prompt that change.

They usually make mention of the sentence being served in a secure institution, it might just be incomplete reporting or a deliberate omission by the judge allowing the prison service to make that call.

 

[brb]

I would have thought all mental evaluations etc would be done before sentencing?
I would have thought an indefinite sentence in a mental health unit. Doesn’t make sense to me.

I was on a trial one time, where a decision was made that the person should go to prison, as you have stated, mental evaluations were done. He got life. However, at a later date in prison, more evaluations were done, and he was moved to a hospital, with a serious MH condition.

 

[brb]

umm
however one could argue that they don't need to suffocate us at birth as they just terminate us .

on a point of order M'lud may i respectfully point out that Disabled People (as a term) includes those with mental health issues by law .
I would suggest that it is more accurate to say the rate of progress , for groups under the umbrella term of disabled people , is uneven .
I'm always intrigued by the fact certain deaf people insist that they are not disabled but just use a different language .

Point taken, apologies

 

[brb]

They usually make mention of the sentence being served in a secure institution, it might just be incomplete reporting or a deliberate omission by the judge allowing the prison service to make that call.

I'd guess the latter, he will probably let the prison make the call.

 

[Archers Road]

Which is what I have alluded to all along.

As for extreme violence, does that apply to all the cases commited on a Friday night, where people end up in hospital (ABH/GBH), due to the influences of alcohol and does this include the stabby people in London?

Absolutely it does.

The lack of funding and support for people with Mental Health problems is scandalous. So is the lack of support for people with addiction problems. The vast majority (not all) of people sleeping on our streets have some or all of these problems, we've had this conversation before.

But people should still be held accountable for their actions. If I fell off the wagon, got drunk, and murdered someone in an alcoholic blackout, does that mean I'm not responsible for what I've done? Of course not. If one person deliberately causes harm to another human being, they should expect to be held accountable, whatever their state of mind at the time.

 

[Tobes]

Absolutely it does.

The lack of funding and support for people with Mental Health problems is scandalous. So is the lack of support for people with addiction problems. The vast majority (not all) of people sleeping on our streets have some or all of these problems, we've had this conversation before.

But people should still be held accountable for their actions. If I fell off the wagon, got drunk, and murdered someone in an alcoholic blackout, does that mean I'm not responsible for what I've done? Of course not. If one person deliberately causes harm to another human being, they should expect to be held accountable, whatever their state of mind at the time.

The austerity cuts have resulted in huge waiting times for people in need. I remember reading some interviews with ex servicemen suffering with PTSD and depression who faced a 9 month wait to be seen. Plus when appts are fulfilled people are often having to travel significant distances.

The cut backs have lead to the emergency services picking up the pieces.

 

[brb]

Absolutely it does.

The lack of funding and support for people with Mental Health problems is scandalous. So is the lack of support for people with addiction problems. The vast majority (not all) of people sleeping on our streets have some or all of these problems, we've had this conversation before.

But people should still be held accountable for their actions. If I fell off the wagon, got drunk, and murdered someone in an alcoholic blackout, does that mean I'm not responsible for what I've done? Of course not. If one person deliberately causes harm to another human being, they should expect to be held accountable, whatever their state of mind at the time.

Again, where have I said he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions?

 

[brb]

It appears to me, people have got upset, because I supposedly said, show the guy some clemency, which I haven't. People also seem upset, because I will not agree with him swinging by a rope from a pole.

Well I can't help that, and I've no intention of changing my opinion, just because people can't grasp what i've said. Which was debating pointers of his care.

 

[Rorschach]

Again, where have I said he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions?

Here

He should be given a big, comfortable bed, be patted on his head and told its not his fault its the fault of everyone he's ever met who did nothing to stop him

 

[Libby]

3 people stabbed to death at a hotel in Glasgow. As per BBC.

 

[Tobes]

Where the Sherman’s lead, we invariably follow, and recent events here really worry me tbh.

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[brb]

3 people stabbed to death at a hotel in Glasgow. As per BBC.

Can I appeal now for clemency towards their assailant

 

[brb]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53195939

 

[Archers Road]

Again, where have I said he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions?

Where have I said you have?

 

[brb]

Where have I said you have?

As you were then

Same as many things in life mate, whether it be alcoholics, drug addicts, homeless people, stabby people, they are all a drain on the social fabric of society. So i've taken on board everyones view that they should be held accountable for their own actions, and come to the conclusion a lethal injection should be administered in future, to remove this drain on our society.

 

[Archers Road]

As you were then

Same as many things in life mate, whether it be alcoholics, drug addicts, homeless people, stabby people, they are all a drain on the social fabric of society. So i've taken on board everyones view that they should be held accountable for their own actions, and come to the conclusion a lethal injection should be administered in future, to remove this drain on our society.

I can see three problems with that, without even trying;

1) most mentally ill people, drug addicts etc, are a danger to themselves, not to others

2) The death penalty was abolished in the 1960s, and rightly so imo

3) You don’t get to decide who lives and who dies, the worst you could do to a psychotic killer is ban them from the PL board. Where is Chaos btw?