Off Topic A serious question about racism

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Owld Feller

Owld Feller

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In particular, a reply/opinion would be much appreciated from @Shameless , who appears to view himself as the supreme judge on this matter.

Do people believe that racial stereotypes (which I accept are, normally, negative) affect those who don't fit in to them in a positive or negative way?

Put another way, how does 'stepping aside' from the stereotype and just placing themselves on the same level as every other UK person help/hinder their life prospects?

Or should they be allowed to hide behind the stereotype and then use the 'racist' card when it suits them?

Thoughts?
 
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A good friend of mine had a best mate who is part aboriginal (i say had as my good friend passed tragically at the age of 23).

I remember one night we were sitting around and his friend said to me that he hated "abo's" his words, not mine.

When i asked him why, as he is of aboriginal decent he replied "because they give those of us who work hard to improve ourselves a bad name".

I'm not sure if this is relevant to your question at all but i feel that he had stepped aside. He was entitled to the additional indigenous benefits that the government provided but refused to accept them.
 
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Owld Feller said:
In particular, a reply/opinion would be much appreciated from [B]@Shameless[/B] , who appears to view himself as the supreme judge on this matter.

UNO - Do people believe that racial stereotypes (which I accept are, normally, negative) affect those who don't fit in to them in a positive or negative way?

DUO: Put another way, how does 'stepping aside' from the stereotype and just placing themselves on the same level as every other UK person help/hinder their life prospects?

TRES: Or should they be allowed to hide behind the stereotype and then use the 'racist' card when it suits them?

Thoughts?
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Sorry. if I come across that way. in all my life I have never been accused of being a smart@ss ...a bit alarmed by it tbh and I do sincerely apologise if I am that person to you. In the [HASHTAG]#real[/HASHTAG] world' of face-to-face dialogue I cannot imagine we'd even have this conversation

1. It depends whether you want to get involved. You imply that you don't see race or colour and for you it doesn't really impact your life or thinking, I hope I have this right! In which case I'm delighted that you think people are just people and if we all felt that way then wtf is this? You have no truck with any of this cr@p is definitely a 'good for you' you don't have to get involved in fact no one is obliged to be involved at all
[willing to retract any or all of that ...or subsequent replies...if that it not what you meant]

2. Many do and as I stated earlier, the black people in our media give people some positive role models as football managers and MP's. In the light of this plague black doctors and other experts are on our TV screens, we hear less racist language and people seem more willing to listen a bit more, we should celebrate this and I agree with 'whoever-it-was' much earlier in this discussion that we are quite tolerant here in many ways compared to other places or nations. We have a long way to go and while there are many people from ethnic minority backgrounds who by their success have taken advantage of educational opportunities available for all that doesn't mean they weren't disadvantaged along the way.and should be applauded for not letting that act as a barrier to their personal development

3. Oh yes that is also a problem and I agree with you here, it would help if some people calmed the **** down a bit, eg ....

Man walks into a shop: 'I need a spade to dig up my garden'

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Shameless said:
Sorry. if I come across that way. in all my life I have never been accused of being a smart@ss ...a bit alarmed by it tbh and I do sincerely apologise if I am that person to you. In the [HASHTAG]#real[/HASHTAG] world' of face-to-face dialogue I cannot imagine we'd even have this conversation

1. It depends whether you want to get involved. You imply that you don't see race or colour and for you it doesn't really impact your life or thinking, I hope I have this right! In which case I'm delighted that you think people are just people and if we all felt that way then wtf is this? You have no truck with any of this cr@p is definitely a 'good for you' you don't have to get involved in fact no one is obliged to be involved at all
[willing to retract any or all of that ...or subsequent replies...if that it not what you meant]

2. Many do and as I stated earlier, the black people in our media give people some positive role models as football managers and MP's. In the light of this plague black doctors and other experts are on our TV screens, we hear less racist language and people seem more willing to listen a bit more, we should celebrate this and I agree with 'whoever-it-was' much earlier in this discussion that we are quite tolerant here in many ways compared to other places or nations. We have a long way to go and while there are many people from ethnic minority backgrounds who by their success have taken advantage of educational opportunities available for all that doesn't mean they weren't disadvantaged along the way.and should be applauded for not letting that act as a barrier to their personal development

3. Oh yes that is also a problem and I agree with you here, it would help if some people calmed the **** down a bit, eg ....

Man walks into a shop: 'I need a spade to dig up my garden'

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Not wishing to be argumentative in any way BUT can you please explain to me just how any of the diatribe (if it could even be called that) refers to/answers the question posed?
 
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Owld Feller said:
Not wishing to be argumentative in any way BUT can you please explain to me just how any of the diatribe (if it could even be called that) refers to/answers the question posed?
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1. It doesn't
2. Good for them
3. I agree that pulling the racist card as an excuse doesn't get us very far
 
Ozzymac said:
A good friend of mine had a best mate who is part aboriginal (i say had as my good friend passed tragically at the age of 23).

I remember one night we were sitting around and his friend said to me that he hated "abo's" his words, not mine.

When i asked him why, as he is of aboriginal decent he replied "because they give those of us who work hard to improve ourselves a bad name".

I'm not sure if this is relevant to your question at all but i feel that he had stepped aside. He was entitled to the additional indigenous benefits that the government provided but refused to accept them.
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I’ve been in two minds to post this, but here goes. Whenever I have dealings (as in arrest) with the indigenous community the normal refrain from them is that I’m a “white dog cu?t” so specifically referring to my skin colour in a derogatory sense. This is not replicated by any other minority group I have dealt with in my 13 years as a cop here. I’m just going to leave this here and let others pick over the whys and wherefores as to their reasons.
On a final note though lawfully I cannot be alarmed or distressed by the comments so have to accept it.
 
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I was waiting for you to be honest :emoticon-0105-wink:

I once went into a centrelink office to do a job and as happens occasionally i was walking out as an indigenous chap was walking in. Typically i moved right as he moved left and vice versa trying to let each other pass.

Finally he said "get out of the f*ckin way white c*nt". I responded with "well if you had a f*ckin job i wouldn't be in your way.
 
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Shameless said:
Sorry ...I was forgetting this is a discussion relating to Australians, most of us are Brits here

You're being a bit aggressive there mac <ok>
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Sorry, i don't see it as a discussion relating to Brits as you put it. By the way, i'm both British and Australian.

If this is purely relating to Britain then why is what happened in the USA of relevance in the UK?
 
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Ozzymac said:
Sorry, i don't see it as a discussion relating to Brits as you put it. By the way, i'm both British and Australian.

If this is purely relating to Britain then why is what happened in the USA of relevance in the UK?
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When race issues cross borders we can really get into a tangle, vis-a-vis indigenous: white Caucasian, native American or Australian aboriginal

relevance in the UK?
I think it's because many people feel quite passionately about it including the indigenous people here. Wasn't there a demonstration in Sydney/Melbourne -maybe other places?
 
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