Coronavirus

Hahahaha, that’s hilarious.

They don’t truly believe it imo, they’re just defending their ‘side’ at all costs. As that’s where we’ve seemingly ended up. You pick your ‘side’ and that’s that, you defend them like a deluded fan might defend their football team, irrespective of reality. All nuance and critical thinking has been lost.

 

If Labour had got in and done the same I wouldn't defend them balls to that .

 

Neither would I, but there’d have been an element who would have.

 

Most Labour supporters didn't support Blair in the Iraq War.

Politics has become very polarised in the last 4 years. Poisoned in fact. So much so that you have a significant proportion of government supporters who can't look objectively at the issue like we used to before, when considering a clearly false narrative.

 

Nor me ... I'll always call out incompetence whatever clothes it wears

 

We do indeed. So get back to work you pleb.

 

Saw this posted elsewhere and I’ve not seen this issue highlighted anywhere else tbh. Seems logical I suppose given a lot of construction carried on regardless, but I’m surprised it’s not been picked up on.

https://www.thedeveloper.live/place...own-and-hundreds-of-construction-workers-died

 

Could it come under Health and Safety at work?

Would the company they worked under be required to report it to RIDDOR? I'm guessing it doesn't fall within the bracket or would be very difficult to prove, but would they still have had a duty of care to carry out an appropriate risk assessment and put in place adequate protection for workers?

 

There should have definitely have been risk assessments carried out and new safe systems of work drawn up to cover social distancing. I doubt it’d fall under RIDDOR as it’s not a notifiable accident, as you couldn’t prove they picked up the virus at work.

 

Carried on regardless is a bit of a throw away comment, as if we (I'm a construction project manager) thought **** it, this **** doesn't apply to us.

We fell into that grey area of not being deemed essential but also not being deemed an industry that had to stop, like retail, hospitality leisure etc. Construction is not alone in that but still, no one gave a **** really so we carried on. No clapping or anything, not deemed heroes.

That said, also not forced into it. If we couldn't find ways to work safely, we didn't do it. This woman slating the Construction Council is barking up the wrong tree, there were daily updates from them with help and guidance to make it work. It was always the case of how each business/person follows this guidance.

Which applies to everyone across the board in all this by the way, always has.

I've got two projects on the go, probs a combined total of a 100 men at any given time combined. Not one single case of Covid. A couple of false alarms, but not actual cases as it turned out. We just made sure there was regimented cleaning and hand washes and sanitisers and did this religiously.

Try getting knuckle head concrete gangs to stay 2m from one another by the way! Not easy.

As for PPE (masks), a lot of tasks in construction absolutely have to wear them. They weren't over purchased though because the NHS needed them, making it difficult to give them out daily.

 

Every set of RAMS now has a Covid working addendum. Has to.

 

I meant carried on regardless of the shutdown, as it did. It wasn’t meant to be a dig at the industry or a suggestion they didn’t attempt to reduce risk. But I’d imagine there’s site tasks that’d require 2 men plus that would be impossible to complete with 2m distancing.

 

Absolutely.

That's when the masks came in, or should have.

I'm actually very pleased about how my business went about this but clearly that hasn't applied across the board.

 

If Blair was Prime minister in 2020 and we invaded he probably wouldn't have resigned after the war, his base would have seen him through another election.

You're right, it has changed a lot.

 

You’ve unwittingly sort of proven the point. As you’ve ignored the fact that 84 Labour MP’s voted against the Iraq invasion compared to 2 Tories.

 

To add to Tobes post i give you


In early 2003 he was reported to be one of the cabinet's chief opponents of military action against Iraq, and on 17 March he resigned from the Cabinet. In a statement giving his reasons for resigning he said, "I can't accept collective responsibility for the decision to commit Britain now to military action in Iraq without international agreement or domestic support." He also praised Blair's "heroic efforts" in pushing for the so-called second resolution regarding the Iraq disarmament crisis, but lamented "The reality is that Britain is being asked to embark on a war without agreement in any of the international bodies of which we are a leading partner—not NATO, not the European Union and, now, not the Security Council". Cook's resignation speech[12] in the House of Commons received an unprecedented standing ovation by fellow MPs,

 

If only he had resigned because of Iraq

I doubt it. Whatever 'base' he had, if any, died with David Miliband's political career.

 

Well, like, I was kinda saying if it happened today. He'd have a base of support completely dedicated to him and it would probably see him through essentially anything.

I wasn't really commentating on what actually happened.

 

I honestly can't say. But I blame a lot of the state of modern day politics on him and the way New Labour went about things. One of them being the way they started introducing government policy through the press. To get into bed with media moguls, empower the media and also undermining parliament.

The worst thing he did was taint the idea in the minds of his own supporters that a left of centre Labour party could govern with principle. Lets hope Kier doesn't make the same mistake. I doubt it though, he doesn't come across as a sell-out shallow ****.

 

I like Kier, if the vote was tomorrow its probably were mine would go.

Tony Blairs closest associates in number 10 were press advisors were they not? He used the press probably better than any post war PM. He was especially amazing at it