Daily Racing Thread Friday 5th. June 2020

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Newmarket
15.00 Sangarius 7/4
15.35 Ghaiyyath 6/4 hate to go against one of my favourites but I'm guessing this is a pipe opener for Straddy
16.45 Delta's Royalty 6/4
17.55 Gunmetal 9/2 owes me
 
Poor day for me yesterday so here's tomorrows. Patent and ew treble. Ew single on Gulliver aswell.

1:30 Lingfield - Igotatext 4/1
1:50 Newmarket - Gulliver 14/1
3:50 Lingfield - Blue Medici 20/1
 
Morning

3.00 Newmarket-Vale Of Kent

Each Way @ 14-1 [Bet 365] BOG

Could surprise
 
It is quite curious that the Coronation Cup is taking place roughly when it was originally scheduled but at a totally different course.

German import Alounak is not the worst 50/1 you will ever see in a Group 1, having finished second to Desert Encounter in the Canadian International but he was behind Anthony van Dyck in the Breeders’ Cup Turf.

The race revolves around Ghaiyyath. The Godolphin colt is a Group 1 winner but there are serious question marks against that form as he was allowed the run of the race and subsequently was totally outgunned in the Arc. Today the others will surely not allow him a soft lead from which to slip the field, especially last year’s winner Defoe, who may challenge for the lead. Ghaiyyath has a fitness advantage, having had a facile prep-race in Dubai but this was not the intended target. I had high hopes for Defoe but he disappointed on the whole last term winning just this race and the Hardwicke; and a strict form line through Desert Encounter from his second at Meydan gives him something to find with Ghaiyyath.

Derby winner Anthony van Dyck has been kept in training but clearly will need to have improved from three to four as his places in the Breeders’ Cup, Irish Champion Stakes and Irish Derby look nothing special and he was a complete no-show in the King George.

The staying champion STRADIVARIUS makes his seasonal bow over a trip that he has never won over but he should have no trouble with the quicker pace if the race is not run at a crawl, has won first time out the last three seasons and he looks like the safest option today.

In the Abernant Stakes, the lack of a warm up should be less of a problem with the older sprinters. Last year’s winner Keystroke returns but Kevin Ryan’s consistent Brando, a valiant second when trying for a race hat-trick last term is also back and the race conditions are heavily in his favour with no penalties. The two four year olds will be very interesting. Oxted clearly need to improve on his Portland win and Brando’s stablemate Emaraary Ana ran in two classics last year after winning the Gimcrack as a juvenile, so I expect him to try to make all as he did for his last two wins. Richard Fahey’s veteran MR LUPTON started last season with a win in the Group 2 Greenlands Stakes at the Curragh then ran moderately in lots of the big sprints but this could be set up for him today if David Nolan can time his run.
 
QuarterMoonII said:
It is quite curious that the Coronation Cup is taking place roughly when it was originally scheduled but at a totally different course.

German import Alounak is not the worst 50/1 you will ever see in a Group 1, having finished second to Desert Encounter in the Canadian International but he was behind Anthony van Dyck in the Breeders’ Cup Turf.

The race revolves around Ghaiyyath. The Godolphin colt is a Group 1 winner but there are serious question marks against that form as he was allowed the run of the race and subsequently was totally outgunned in the Arc. Today the others will surely not allow him a soft lead from which to slip the field, especially last year’s winner Defoe, who may challenge for the lead. Ghaiyyath has a fitness advantage, having had a facile prep-race in Dubai but this was not the intended target. I had high hopes for Defoe but he disappointed on the whole last term winning just this race and the Hardwicke; and a strict form line through Desert Encounter from his second at Meydan gives him something to find with Ghaiyyath.

Derby winner Anthony van Dyck has been kept in training but clearly will need to have improved from three to four as his places in the Breeders’ Cup, Irish Champion Stakes and Irish Derby look nothing special and he was a complete no-show in the King George.

The staying champion STRADIVARIUS makes his seasonal bow over a trip that he has never won over but he should have no trouble with the quicker pace if the race is not run at a crawl, has won first time out the last three seasons and he looks like the safest option today.

In the Abernant Stakes, the lack of a warm up should be less of a problem with the older sprinters. Last year’s winner Keystroke returns but Kevin Ryan’s consistent Brando, a valiant second when trying for a race hat-trick last term is also back and the race conditions are heavily in his favour with no penalties. The two four year olds will be very interesting. Oxted clearly need to improve on his Portland win and Brando’s stablemate Emaraary Ana ran in two classics last year after winning the Gimcrack as a juvenile, so I expect him to try to make all as he did for his last two wins. Richard Fahey’s veteran MR LUPTON started last season with a win in the Group 2 Greenlands Stakes at the Curragh then ran moderately in lots of the big sprints but this could be set up for him today if David Nolan can time his run.
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All well and good but who’ve you backed?
 
Morning guys!!

a few fancies for me today

1.15 Newmarket- Thanielle- 5/1 Ran pretty decent on his first two runs- sets the standard and with the natural improvement and experience he should take all the beating

2.25 Newmarket - Keystroke - 13/2 Cant have Brando at all today think Keystroke will be looking to repeat last year’s performance will have another fast pace to aim at and will like the ground

3.15 Lingfield- English King - 9/4 again not much to go by but reckon he could be a good one

3.35 Newmarket - Defoe - 4/1 Reckon he would have been set out for this race. Where as others will have been sent here just to get a run in them. Which I reckon is the case for AVD and listening to a stable tour with AOB he said he was desperate to get him out Stradivarius i reckon could just get tapped for some toe tomorrow at a crucial stage in this ground - Ghaiyyath will try to run from the front and could take a lot of stopping but again think he will strip fitter for the race with some other targets later in the season. Defoe very much seemed like a horse on the up and easy to forgive his king George run behind enable as he hated the ground (albeit the going did say Good to soft it definitely looked at lot worst!) he is come back run in Dubai was pleasing and still confirmed he retained that talent and Altho it will be close. He should be able real Ghaiyyath in come the line!!
 
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I will stick to my mantra of not backing anything Ryan Moore is on, think he has missed a trick not Riding SWINDLER in the 1.50 though
 
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woolcombe-folly007 said:
Morning guys!!

a few fancies for me today

1.15 Newmarket- Thanielle- 5/1 Ran pretty decent on his first two runs- sets the standard and with the natural improvement and experience he should take all the beating

2.25 Newmarket - Keystroke - 13/2 Cant have Brando at all today think Keystroke will be looking to repeat last year’s performance will have another fast pace to aim at and will like the ground

3.15 Lingfield- English King - 9/4 again not much to go by but reckon he could be a good one

3.35 Newmarket - Defoe - 4/1 Reckon he would have been set out for this race. Where as others will have been sent here just to get a run in them. Which I reckon is the case for AVD and listening to a stable tour with AOB he said he was desperate to get him out Stradivarius i reckon could just get tapped for some toe tomorrow at a crucial stage in this ground - Ghaiyyath will try to run from the front and could take a lot of stopping but again think he will strip fitter for the race with some other targets later in the season. Defoe very much seemed like a horse on the up and easy to forgive his king George run behind enable as he hated the ground (albeit the going did say Good to soft it definitely looked at lot worst!) he is come back run in Dubai was pleasing and still confirmed he retained that talent and Altho it will be close. He should be able real Ghaiyyath in come the line!!
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And I have backed the Swindler too 1.50 Newmarket - 2/3 in handicaps and looks a horse on the up too- should win this and then can see him winning a big handicap say at royal ascot too
 
I actually agree with Quarter Moon on something for once and that is that MR LUPTON should win the 2.25 at Newmarket on what is the first top class day of racing since Cheltenham

With Sangarius out of the 3.00 it looks rather wide open and so will have each way bets on VALE OF KENT and DAWAAM

DEFOE looks to be the value in the Coronation Cup but wouldn't be surprised to see ANTHONY VAN DYCK win with the ground in his favour

The Lingfield Derby trial looks weak.
I will go for BERKSHIRE ROCCO
I can't oppose MISS YODA in the Oaks Trial

First TV race of the afternoon the 1.50 can go to Ryan Moore aboard OPEN WIDE
 
The previews I have seen say that Ghaiyyath will take the beating if granted an early lead. That being the case I thought one or more trainers would have entered a pacemaker/spoiler to give him some competition at the front. I would have thought Stradivarius would benefit from some company to ensure that it was a truly run race because this is as short as he would want to be travelling over.

Will Aidan use one of his pair to try to set the other one up? Anthony Van Dyck won one of the worst Derbies I can recall and the Official Ratings backed up that sentiment. He tailed off pretty much after that and he's thoroughly exposed to my eyes. Hard to see him winning what looks likely to be a strongly run affair one way or the other. Broome has had less racing than his stable companion and was progressive coming into the Epsom Derby where he was beaten only half a length in 4th place. He didn't run to form in the Irish Derby and wasn't seen after that but he could well pick up in better fettle than when last seen and have more improvement in him yet. It may also help Broome that this is at Newmarket rather than Epsom because he stayed on well enough in the Derby and as they disappear into the distance after the finishing line he appears to be in front. Less imposing in terms of having filled out his frame compared to his stable companions in last year's Derby line up it will be interesting to see how he has grown up since we last saw him.

Defoe is a horse I have never quite warmed to. He has gone off as favourite in plenty of his races and been beaten too often for my liking when he has been the jolly. I recall being totally against him when he lined up in the St Leger as a 3YO and for me his sole Group 1 win came in a dubious race where the first two in the betting, Lah Ti Dar and Old Persian, both ran like drains. This looks a tougher renewal and if it does come down to a stamina battle Stradivarius is likely to be the stronger in my opinion. I would be a layer of Defoe today but I see he is the most tipped horse in the race with six nominations in the Racing Post, ahead of warm favourite Ghaiyyath with five picks and Stradivarius on three nods.

Stradivarius would not be a shock winner but the drop in trip has to be a concern. He looked vulnerable at times over the Cup distances last season but seemed to have the determination to out-battle everthing in a close finish. That air of invincibility finally dispersed when Kew Gardens managed to get the better of him by a nose on his final start of the season but he remains a gritty individual with the slight worry that he seemed to keep beating Dee Ex Bee in the Cup races last year. I don't feel his odds of 7/2 represent value over the trip today because it has to be a negative with the trainer stating that the horse comes here because the race fits in with the timing of the Gold Cup at Ascot.

Ghaiyyath is generally Evens and when he does win it looks impressive. There has been an issue with him following up though and he was out with the washing in last year's Arc. I just wonder if he would sulk if something takes him on up front and given his overall profile you would not be wanting any questions at even money. I could not take those odds with the confidence you would normally have in a horse at that price.

In the end I decided to chance that the O'Brien horses will be fit and I went with Broome as the better priced runner of the two with more potential improvement at 4YO. He needs a jump in form of course but if Ghaiyyath has an off day and Stradivarius runs to less than his 122 Cup distance rating over the shorter trip the playing field becomes more even and at 14/1 you don't need much on for an interest. I worry he might come on a fair bit for his first run of the season but we are in June now and hopefully he hasn't been standing in a field since April.

3.35 Newmarket Broome 14/1
 
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The previews I have seen say that Ghaiyyath will take the beating if granted an early lead. That being the case I thought one or more trainers would have entered a pacemaker/spoiler to give him some competition at the front. I would have thought Stradivarius would benefit from some company to ensure that it was a truly run race because this is as short as he would want to be travelling over.

Will Aidan use one of his pair to try to set the other one up? Anthony Van Dyck won one of the worst Derbies I can recall and the Official Ratings backed up that sentiment. He tailed off pretty much after that and he's thoroughly exposed to my eyes. Hard to see him winning what looks likely to be a strongly run affair one way or the other. Broome has had less racing than his stable companion and was progressive coming into the Epsom Derby where he was beaten only half a length in 4th place. He didn't run to form in the Irish Derby and wasn't seen after that but he could well pick up in better fettle than when last seen and have more improvement in him yet. It may also help Broome that this is at Newmarket rather than Epsom because he stayed on well enough in the Derby and as they disappear into the distance after the finishing line he appears to be in front. Less imposing in terms of having filled out his frame compared to his stable companions in last year's Derby line up it will be interesting to see how he has grown up since we last saw him.

Defoe is a horse I have never quite warmed to. He has gone off as favourite in plenty of his races and been beaten too often for my liking when he has been the jolly. I recall being totally against him when he lined up in the St Leger as a 3YO and for me his sole Group 1 win came in a dubious race where the first two in the betting, Lah Ti Dar and Old Persian, both ran like drains. This looks a tougher renewal and if it does come down to a stamina battle Stradivarius is likely to be the stronger in my opinion. I would be a layer of Defoe today but I see he is the most tipped horse in the race with six nominations in the Racing Post, ahead of warm favourite Ghaiyyath with five picks and Stradivarius on three nods.

Stradivarius would not be a shock winner but the drop in trip has to be a concern. He looked vulnerable at times over the Cup distances last season but seemed to have the determination to out-battle everthing in a close finish. That air of invincibility finally dispersed when Kew Gardens managed to get the better of him by a nose on his final start of the season but he remains a gritty individual with the slight worry that he seemed to keep beating Dee Ex Bee in the Cup races last year. I don't feel his odds of 7/2 represent value over the trip today because it has to be a negative with the trainer stating that the horse comes here because the race fits in with the timing of the Gold Cup at Ascot.

Ghaiyyath is generally Evens and when he does win it looks impressive. There has been an issue with him following up though and he was out with the washing in last year's Arc. I just wonder if he would sulk if something takes him on up front and given his overall profile you would not be wanting any questions at even money. I could not take those odds with the confidence you would normally have in a horse at that price.

In the end I decided to chance that the O'Brien horses will be fit and I went with Broome as the better priced runner of the two with more potential improvement at 4YO. He needs a jump in form of course but if Ghaiyyath has an off day and Stradivarius runs to less than his 122 Cup distance rating over the shorter trip the playing field becomes more even and at 14/1 you don't need much on for an interest. I worry he might come on a fair bit for his first run of the season but we are in June now and hopefully he hasn't been standing in a field since April.

3.35 Newmarket Broome 14/1
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Ran well in the English Derby but hasn't been seen since the Irish Derby (race to ignore) which could be a concern; or could be a good thing, depending on the reason for not having raced: Might be worth watching to see if any money for him. I agree Evs is a **** price for the fav; I thought the 6/4 I took last night was a bit dubious
 
Grendel said:
The previews I have seen say that Ghaiyyath will take the beating if granted an early lead. That being the case I thought one or more trainers would have entered a pacemaker/spoiler to give him some competition at the front. I would have thought Stradivarius would benefit from some company to ensure that it was a truly run race because this is as short as he would want to be travelling over.

Will Aidan use one of his pair to try to set the other one up? Anthony Van Dyck won one of the worst Derbies I can recall and the Official Ratings backed up that sentiment. He tailed off pretty much after that and he's thoroughly exposed to my eyes. Hard to see him winning what looks likely to be a strongly run affair one way or the other. Broome has had less racing than his stable companion and was progressive coming into the Epsom Derby where he was beaten only half a length in 4th place. He didn't run to form in the Irish Derby and wasn't seen after that but he could well pick up in better fettle than when last seen and have more improvement in him yet. It may also help Broome that this is at Newmarket rather than Epsom because he stayed on well enough in the Derby and as they disappear into the distance after the finishing line he appears to be in front. Less imposing in terms of having filled out his frame compared to his stable companions in last year's Derby line up it will be interesting to see how he has grown up since we last saw him.

Defoe is a horse I have never quite warmed to. He has gone off as favourite in plenty of his races and been beaten too often for my liking when he has been the jolly. I recall being totally against him when he lined up in the St Leger as a 3YO and for me his sole Group 1 win came in a dubious race where the first two in the betting, Lah Ti Dar and Old Persian, both ran like drains. This looks a tougher renewal and if it does come down to a stamina battle Stradivarius is likely to be the stronger in my opinion. I would be a layer of Defoe today but I see he is the most tipped horse in the race with six nominations in the Racing Post, ahead of warm favourite Ghaiyyath with five picks and Stradivarius on three nods.

Stradivarius would not be a shock winner but the drop in trip has to be a concern. He looked vulnerable at times over the Cup distances last season but seemed to have the determination to out-battle everthing in a close finish. That air of invincibility finally dispersed when Kew Gardens managed to get the better of him by a nose on his final start of the season but he remains a gritty individual with the slight worry that he seemed to keep beating Dee Ex Bee in the Cup races last year. I don't feel his odds of 7/2 represent value over the trip today because it has to be a negative with the trainer stating that the horse comes here because the race fits in with the timing of the Gold Cup at Ascot.

Ghaiyyath is generally Evens and when he does win it looks impressive. There has been an issue with him following up though and he was out with the washing in last year's Arc. I just wonder if he would sulk if something takes him on up front and given his overall profile you would not be wanting any questions at even money. I could not take those odds with the confidence you would normally have in a horse at that price.

In the end I decided to chance that the O'Brien horses will be fit and I went with Broome as the better priced runner of the two with more potential improvement at 4YO. He needs a jump in form of course but if Ghaiyyath has an off day and Stradivarius runs to less than his 122 Cup distance rating over the shorter trip the playing field becomes more even and at 14/1 you don't need much on for an interest. I worry he might come on a fair bit for his first run of the season but we are in June now and hopefully he hasn't been standing in a field since April.

3.35 Newmarket Broome 14/1
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Isnt Broome in as a pacemker for AVD, im sure I read this in the RP?
Ive went for AVD as i think tne break might do him good and i always like classic form.
 
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