1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Off Topic Coronavirus

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Sooperhoop, Feb 8, 2020.

  1. CroydonCaptainJack

    CroydonCaptainJack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    3,813
    Likes Received:
    3,062
    Blimey, how big is that chip on your shoulder
     
    #8261
  2. Star of David Bardsley

    Star of David Bardsley 2023 Funniest Poster

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2011
    Messages:
    69,636
    Likes Received:
    57,112
    Think this one has gone over your head, mate.
     
    #8262
  3. CroydonCaptainJack

    CroydonCaptainJack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    3,813
    Likes Received:
    3,062
    I
    I'm sure. After all you are way to smart for me.
     
    #8263
  4. YorkshireHoopster

    YorkshireHoopster Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2012
    Messages:
    3,845
    Likes Received:
    2,852
    I can't remember what I said from one day to the next. Wikipedia has a reasonable condensed summary. However rule of thumb is that the criminal offence is designed to look at the ethos, usually in the safety context, of the company not necessarily individual failures of judgment. That may explain the reasoning of the jury in the Hillsboro case against Duckenfield. It's not an easy test to satisfy but, dare I say, a bit easier to prove in the context of a civil claim in negligence for compensation. The quality of the negligence will obviously vary from case to case from (these are all examples) a simple mistake, inadvertence, forgetting to do something which has extreme consequences for the victims to directing your employees not to carry out obvious checks because it costs too much to do so, failing to train your staff properly and failing to heed warnings because it has never happened before or worse still covering it up if it did happen albeit on a much reduced scale. The statutory duty is to take all reasonably practicable steps to ensure the health and safety of your employees and your visitors/customers and to carry out proper risk assessments. That means a risk assessment which identifies a potentially serious risk of death or injury is to be acted upon and not to be filed away on cost grounds. If you cannot afford to make something or provide a service safely you shouldn't be doing so at all. That is the utopian goal.

    The government's actions in directing the discharge of patients who had been diagnosed as having Covid-19 seems to most people to have been a deliberate shutting of eyes to an obvious risk - something they will have great difficulty in denying I would have thought given their advice within a week or so later, that 1.5 million people who were immuno-compromised because of their age and/or medical history should lock themselves away for 12 weeks. They are going to need a bloody good QC to persuade a judge or jury that they were 'entitled to rely on the scientific advice' of their pet advisers and not ask serious questions about that little bit of curious logic or more likely wishful thinking.
     
    #8264
    KooPeeArr, Ninj and sb_73 like this.
  5. Star of David Bardsley

    Star of David Bardsley 2023 Funniest Poster

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2011
    Messages:
    69,636
    Likes Received:
    57,112
    *too

    <party>
     
    #8265
  6. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,834
    Likes Received:
    28,828
    Why did Jenny Harries say the death rate is going down? The average number of daily deaths is slowly going down on the seven day rolling calculation, but the death rate per million is going up - it was 501 yesterday and it is 508 today. And in fact the daily death rate went up from 384 yesterday to 468 today. It’s not a big thing, but this sloppiness is indicative of an approach that assumes that there is no real scrutiny and that everyone is only interested in good news.

    My neighbour received one of the tests that Imperial are sending out, I think 100k in total, to try and get an idea of prevalence in the community. It’s an antigen not an antibody test, so it will find ‘live’ carriers only. As she has already had the virus (untested of course, she wasn’t hospitalised) we all wondered what the point was. And when she realised exactly how far the swab needs to go up her nose she began to lose interest in the whole thing.
     
    #8266
  7. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,834
    Likes Received:
    28,828
    Thank you sir.

    There will be a reckoning.
     
    #8267
  8. stick

    stick Bumper King

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2012
    Messages:
    18,570
    Likes Received:
    10,980
    As I said in earlier posts my family had more than a minor brush with this virus.
    We went through the scenario of my parents having to go back and forth to the hospital several times in the course of around ten days. My Dad (aged 91) had slipped down the stairs and fractured a few ribs. They didnt want him in the hospital but then the visiting carers couldnt get him out of bed as he was in too much pain. So for more than a week it felt like paramedics were there every day, wanting to help but not really wanting to take them in to the hospital.
    Eventually they decided to have him in hospital and also let my Mum stay with him. This was meant to be until he recovered from his fractured ribs.
    At some point after they were admitted they were both tested and hound to have the virus. Of course we have no way of knowing when they contracted the virus or who from. Honestly, from day one of my Dad having the diagnosis the hospital were telling us that he wouldnt make it but that my Mum had a 50/50 chance. He was soon in a very bad way and the last week of his life was spent slipping in and out of consciousness with his medication and treatment being based around end of life care. He was in a room with my Mum which was a relief and they had beds side by side so could hold hands.
    He eventually passed away and our worry was that my Mum would soon follow but in actual fact she rallied really well. Dad had dementia so maybe for her it was actually some kind of relief. Soon after this she was tested again, so they said, and found to be all clear. she was doing well but the hospital was now in a position where they wanted beds, the rush was about to begin.
    There was no way on Earth she could return to her home so between myself, my daughter and social services we looked to trying to get her into a care home. Can you imagine the call to a care home that goes "Hi my Mum has recently recovered from Covid-19 and would like to come and live in your coronavirus free environment". During this time I was told quite categorically that the hospital was charging social services for my Mum being in hospital. I was told a figure that I cannot really believe and although I knew the system had been used before to avoid bed blocking I really thought it was a thing of the past.
    The care home of our choice eventually agreed to take my Mum although I think, or rather I know, some serious pressure was put upon the home to do so. The home had all its carers living in at the time to reduce the chance of the virus getting into the home. I cannot praise these people enough, they are every bit as dedicated as the NHS staff. They isolated my Mum for seven days in a room of her own and had to "gown up" every time they went into her room. It must have been a huge worry for them and I cannot thank them enough for their dedication.

    I thought I would share this story so that you can all understand the pressures that are there between organisations and also wanted to paint a positive picture at least of this care home as I know a lot of them are given a hard time.

    My Mum is doing well and has actually put on 5lbs since being in the care home. We are having to sell the family home to pay for it but that sacrifice is minimal when you think of what so many people are going through in this awful time.
     
    #8268
  9. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,834
    Likes Received:
    28,828
    Thanks Stick. Condolences for your father, best wishes for your mum.
     
    #8269
  10. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    14,333
    Likes Received:
    16,130
    What did I miss on the daily ****show? I've seen online that the old stupid witch said there are 3 'R' rates to consider now!
    Is the 'R' on the rise again?
     
    #8270

  11. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    14,333
    Likes Received:
    16,130
    If Wiilamson promises it's safe for kids to go back to school then can we please see the evidence to prove this. As a parent that's not too much to ask. And if after such promises, my child gets infected and in turn infects myself and my wife, will you be open to libel damages?
    If I were a teacher I would be telling them to **** right off
     
    #8271
  12. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    14,333
    Likes Received:
    16,130
    I think it all comes down to trust. It's difficult to trust after the lies about care homes, testing, lockdown and much much more.
     
    #8272
  13. Turkish" Premier" Hoops

    Turkish" Premier" Hoops Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2011
    Messages:
    6,730
    Likes Received:
    5,696
    No there won’t, it’s that simple.
    Who is going to attempt to bring Boris, the government or the scientists to court.
    There will be no court case, there will maybe be an enquiry, but there will be no reckoning.
     
    #8273
  14. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,834
    Likes Received:
    28,828
    According to the Daily Telegraph the coding of the model used by Professor Neil ‘shagger’ Ferguson at Imperial to make his various predictions that the government took seriously was so full of bugs that it never gave the same result twice and would have resulted in the sacking of anybody who produced such an inept piece of work in a commercial setting.

    Well, I’m stunned.
     
    #8274
    bobmid likes this.
  15. Turkish" Premier" Hoops

    Turkish" Premier" Hoops Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2011
    Messages:
    6,730
    Likes Received:
    5,696
    Condolences to you and your Family, Stick.
     
    #8275
    SW Ranger, kiwiqpr and stick like this.
  16. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2012
    Messages:
    43,558
    Likes Received:
    58,362
    please log in to view this image
     
    #8276
    sb_73 likes this.
  17. Star of David Bardsley

    Star of David Bardsley 2023 Funniest Poster

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2011
    Messages:
    69,636
    Likes Received:
    57,112
    Send them back when Eton go back and you’ll be about right.
     
    #8277
    BobbyD, kiwiqpr and bobmid like this.
  18. Tramore Ranger

    Tramore Ranger Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2011
    Messages:
    14,642
    Likes Received:
    8,527
    Condolences Stick but it is good to hear about some positive news instead of the constant negativity......

    As I've posted previously my mother is in a care home and I can not speak highly enough of the staff who are working under enormous pressure often having to compete with the huge health service for supplies etc but have so far managed to keep this bastard virus away from their premises......
     
    #8278
  19. finglasqpr

    finglasqpr Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2011
    Messages:
    6,361
    Likes Received:
    3,797
    Good day over here with the figures.

    Only 15 deaths and 92 new cases today. The first day since 18th March that our new cases are below 100.
     
    #8279
  20. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    14,333
    Likes Received:
    16,130
    The same people who said there was no threat to care homes are the same ones telling us to send our kids back to school!! ......me thinks not
     
    #8280

Share This Page