Match Day Thread Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

[Tobes]

The PL is it's own entity and the FA has no say in the day to day running of it but they do have a say on rule changes which 'no relegation' would be. The FA are looking out for the EFL in all of this as well. They are trying to maintain the promotion/ relegation competition aspect across the board.

The teams fearing relegation had 29 games to avoid it. If ppg is used it's hardly unfair, they go down with or without it, exception being a weighted ppg which would put West Ham down.

So you’re saying that West Ham would somehow deserve to go down and it wouldn’t be unfair it they got relegated on a PPG basis? Really?

I can’t stand West Ham or Villa for that matter, but they deserve the chance to play their way out of trouble, same as every club in their predicament has every season. I doubt your view would be the same if you supported a club who were in danger of a statistical relegation.

 

[Tobes]

They have a say in they can veto it yes, but they can't force them to do anything is the point I'm making. They can't make the clubs do anything they don't want to do.

In terms of maintaining promotions and relegations then it's a bit rich of the FA imo seeing as they've already voided leagues, including one which had a mathematical winner.

The PL pay the EFL £140m a year, which is £20m more than their entire TV rights. The idea that the FA could realistically enforce its will on the PL over an issue like PPG relegation is for the birds.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

They have a say in they can veto it yes, but they can't force them to do anything is the point I'm making. They can't make the clubs do anything they don't want to do.

In terms of maintaining promotions and relegations then it's a bit rich of the FA imo seeing as they've already voided leagues, including one which had a mathematical winner.

I doubt very much that the PL would enter into a stand off with the FA over relegation. Since the meeting and Clark's pronouncement, how many clubs have come out and opposed it?

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

I’m failing to see your point, as they (in theory) have the power of sanction due to their special share, we’ve already done this.

And the rest of my post?

Dont think I've argued with the rest of your post. I can see glen Murray's point entirely re the Prem finishing and the championship not. Completely different if neither are finished though.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

So you’re saying that West Ham would somehow deserve to go down and it wouldn’t be unfair it they got relegated on a PPG basis? Really?

I can’t stand West Ham or Villa for that matter, but they deserve the chance to play their way out of trouble, same as every club in their predicament has every season. I doubt your view would be the same if you supported a club who were in danger of a statistical relegation.

Where did I say West Ham would deserve to go down? Where have I said ppg is fair/unfair?

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

The PL pay the EFL £140m a year, which is £20m more than their entire TV rights. The idea that the FA could realistically enforce its will on the PL over an issue like PPG relegation is for the birds.

You mean The Football Association Premier League Limited? You speak as if they're two separate entities combined by a symbiotic agreement, or something, rather than a hierarchical structure. Which is the case?

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

I think the idea that 14 prem league teams are going to defy the will of the FA is the one for the birds, but we'll see.

 

[astro]

And they started this season with the rule that 38 games would be played, with a home and away fixture.

When the season ends is precisely the problem. Cut it short now and Clubs can argue they've been robbed of potential fixtures they could have gained something from (however unlikely that migth have been).

I'm not arguing it, it's what clubs like Norwich or Brighton etc will say.

I say finish the season.

[HASHTAG]#readtherules[/HASHTAG]

Premier League Rule 22(D) says only 75% of fixtures need to be played.

They have been played.

 

[Tobes]

You mean The Football Association Premier League Limited? You speak as if they're two separate entities combined by a symbiotic agreement, or something, rather than a hierarchical structure. Which is the case?

They are two separate entities. The PL is run by the clubs who form part of it.

 

[RogerisontheHunt]

[HASHTAG]#readtherules[/HASHTAG]

Premier League Rule 22(D) says only 75% of fixtures need to be played.

They have been played.

The FA rulebook for 2019/2020 season has a rule called 22d that says in the event of a team withdrawing from a league before completing 75% of fixtures for the playing season all points obtained should be expunged.

Yeah thats not the same thing. Nobody has withdrawn

 

[Tobes]

The FA rulebook for 2019/2020 season has a rule called 22d that says in the event of a team withdrawing from a league before completing 75% of fixtures for the playing season all points obtained should be expunged.

Yeah thats not the same thing. Nobody has withdrawn

Someone fetch a fire extinguisher @RogerisontheHunt has literally torched @astro here

 

[Solid Air]

should have carried on talking about mascots than this again .

 

[Tobes]

Where did I say West Ham would deserve to go down? Where have I said ppg is fair/unfair?

You literally said it wouldn’t be unfair if PPG was used, in the post I replied to.

 

[Solid Air]

You literally said it wouldn’t be unfair if PPG was used, in the post I replied to.

if it relegates the porn barons it gets my vote .

 

[Libby]

I doubt very much that the PL would enter into a stand off with the FA over relegation. Since the meeting and Clark's pronouncement, how many clubs have come out and opposed it?

And again I've said it's unlikely but it's possible. Clubs won't oppose it now as the plan is to play it out but what happens if they can't finish it and then can't come to an agreement that involved relegation?

I suspect clubs won't give a **** about going against the FA when there's hundreds of millions at stake.

 

[Libby]

You mean The Football Association Premier League Limited? You speak as if they're two separate entities combined by a symbiotic agreement, or something, rather than a hierarchical structure. Which is the case?

They are separate entities.

In terms of decision making the Premier league is the current twenty clubs. Nothing else.

 

[RogerisontheHunt]

if it relegates the porn barons it gets my vote .

I think any club that has mentioned that the League should be nulled or there should be no relegation, should be relegated as they are clearly trying to use the situation to their advantage.

So far that would be West Ham, Brighton and Palace..... I'm comfortable with those 3

 

[Libby]

I think the idea that 14 prem league teams are going to defy the will of the FA is the one for the birds, but we'll see.

I've repeatedly said it's unlikely but it's definitely plausible. All I said was that it'd be interesting to see how it played out if it did get to that situation. Someone would have to blink.

I think if it comes to it then a couple of swing clubs will just get bought off and we'll get ppg. Our owners got form for that anyway.

 

[Zanjinho]

Wish the football would restart just to shut you lot up. You've been going round in circles for weeks ffs

 

[RogerisontheHunt]

Wish the football would restart just to shut you lot up. You've been going round in circles for weeks ffs

So you're not watching the Belarusan league