I meant block as in veto the idea of non relegation. Poorly worded.
14 of the 20 clubs will have to agree on an outcome if the season can't be completed.
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I meant block as in veto the idea of non relegation. Poorly worded.
14 of the 20 clubs will have to agree on an outcome if the season can't be completed.
I did say I thought it was unlikely.
My point is if the clubs couldn't decide then the FA would have no power to decide for them. They may require the FA to sanction it but the clubs are still ultimately the decision makers.
Depends on how they word anything that is put to a vote. The only contentious issue is relegation, possibly European places depending on which version of ppg should it come to that. There will be relegations.
Just to clarify, to not have relegation would be a rule change and require a 14 club vote (which would then be vetoed by the FA): that is right, isn't it? So the status as of now is that there will be relegation and such unless it is voted against, and that would be vetoed. The FA don't have to get 14 teams to agree to relegation per se, just the method of it. So the 14 clubs that won't agree - do they form their own league outside the FA? Recognised by FIFA and UEFA? Will it be a bit like the Harlem Globetrotters?
Serious question, if the FA say there must be relegation's and the PL with all it's members say **** off
What do you think the FA will do?
No it doesn't depend on the wording, the clubs are the decision makers.
If a majority voted for PPG with no relegation the FA wouldn't be able to veto it and simultaneously decide that it will just be PPG with relegation. They would just veto it and then the decision goes back to the clubs.
Hopefully you lot can go and create your superleague and take var with you. The rest of us can have our game back
Hopefully you lot can go and create your superleague and take var with you. The rest of us can have our game back
And mascots - ****ing mascots. WTF is that about?
The issue is, that’s there’s no rule in the PL handbook that caters for a scenario like this, so your assumption is wrong, as the existing rules only cater for a completed season.
So the PL will have to collectively agree a solution should the league be unable to complete, same as its having to do re: the restart and neutral venues etc.
The FA can’t impose anything, it can merely threaten to not sanction a solution that doesn’t involve relegation. Neither of you have countered any of the points made as to why a PPG just doesn’t stack, notably the idea that 3 PL clubs could be relegated purely on a calculation, to be replaced by Championship clubs who’d not cemented a promotion position on the pitch.
The FA is merely trying to ensure that the PL actually gets played out, hence their stance on Monday, should that become impossible due to circumstances, then their position on this would alter, as it’d have to, as the PL would never sanction it, and rightly so.
That already happened, it was called the Premier Leauge.Hopefully you lot can go and create your superleague and take var with you. The rest of us can have our game back
Perhaps you guys would be more comfortable in the Championship
That already happened, it was called the Premier Leauge.
Perhaps you guys would be more comfortable in the Championship
I certainly would. Is there any permutations that send us down? Might jump on board
Volunteer, get two more and all the issues about Relegation are solved.I certainly would. Is there any permutations that send us down? Might jump on board
Also might get Brighton to shut the **** up and stop whining
Presumably the PL executives come up with the wording of what is put to the vote (seeing as they are their own entity) and the clubs vote on it. The FA have said relegation will happen so it would be a bit daft of the PL to put no relegation to the vote.
Why are you desperate for there to be no relegation?
Er, without getting into semantics (that may end up being bloody important here), does that not by implication require a rule change then, something that the FA have final sanction over?
I haven't offered an opinion on relegation have I? I merely said it would be interesting to see how it plays out should we reach that sort of stand off and explained how it could be possible. I even said I don't think it's very likely.
It may be a bit daft but it's certainly possible if they couldn't get a majority on anything else. If the clubs wanted to vote on it and there was enough support then they'd have to.
The point is the FA can't enforce a solution on the league, and there's no PL executive that has the power to do anything in that regard either. The twenty clubs are the Premier league.
Er, without getting into semantics (that may end up being bloody important here), does that not by implication require a rule change then, something that the FA have final sanction over?
I’m failing to see your point, as they (in theory) have the power of sanction due to their special share, we’ve already done this.
And the rest of my post?
The PL is it's own entity and the FA has no say in the day to day running of it but they do have a say on rule changes which 'no relegation' would be. The FA are looking out for the EFL in all of this as well. They are trying to maintain the promotion/ relegation competition aspect across the board.
The teams fearing relegation had 29 games to avoid it. If ppg is used it's hardly unfair, they go down with or without it, exception being a weighted ppg which would put West Ham down.
They have a say in they can veto it yes, but they can't force them to do anything is the point I'm making. They can't make the clubs do anything they don't want to do.
In terms of maintaining promotions and relegations then it's a bit rich of the FA imo seeing as they've already voided leagues, including one which had a mathematical winner.