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bobmid said:
I think they moved the goalposts to test capacity from tests to people regarding 100,000. I may be mistaken
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I looked back over the last few weeks and I could only find 100k tests as the target in the headline. When they failed to achieve it they started talking about capacity, I agree but I couldn't see where it was ever 100k people to be tested as a target.
 
Boris Johnson has been accused of misleading MPs over advice to care homes at the start of the coronavirus pandemic on controlling infections.

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said that up until 12 March, care homes were being told it was "very unlikely" anyone would become infected.

The prime minister said "it wasn't true the advice said that".

Sir Keir has written to the PM to ask him to return to the Commons to correct the record.

A page on the government's website, which was withdrawn on 13 March, says: "This guidance is intended for the current position in the UK where there is currently no transmission of COVID-19 in the community.

"It is therefore very unlikely that anyone receiving care in a care home or the community will become infected."
 
Yet another example of our great leader not knowing his arse from his elbow. When will enough be enough. Surely theres someone better in the Tory party to take over from this useless bastard.
 
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CroydonCaptainJack said:
Are they seriously expected to follow every member of the public around to make sure they comply.
People do have to take a bit of responsibility for themselves surely.
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no but the government would have had to have it’s head well and truly shoved it’s arse not to have noticed the trends in people breaking the rules. It’s clear the general public are incapable of the maturity needed, therefore acted accordingly.
 
bobmid said:
Yet another example of our great leader not knowing his arse from his elbow. When will enough be enough. Surely theres someone better in the Tory party to take over from this useless bastard.
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Not really. Elected for one reason and nothing as irrelevant as a pandemic killing 50000 and counting is going to change that.
 
Tramore Ranger said:
How about blocking off seats to allow for the 2 metres, mark out on the floor where people can stand...…….Not saying it would be easy but they could have done something rather than the apparent nothing...….I accept that if Social Distancing is applied then only 10% of normal passenger numbers can be carried but that's the new normal.....
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on transport you wouldn’t even get a tenth capacity, you must have been on the tube, you’d also need to police that as people won’t be respectful of those rules. That would involve at least two people enforcing on every carriage, which apart from reducing capacity even further would be extremely difficult to police.
 
a couple of things I'm not sure about:
Data protection> If person "A" is allowed to leave hospital, and then goes to a care home, under Data Protection and GDPR rules, are the hospital allowed to disclose personal details of a third person? Additionally, if a care home was taking someone who has been in hospital with Covid 19 or suspected of it, would you as a care home owner / manager self isolated that person? And warned your staff and organised suitable PPE?
Additionally, I have attended a seminar earlier today where it was stated that 4.3 million people have had Covid 19 and at time of writing this 300,00 have died. Some have had other medical conditions which would have made recovery impossible or very difficult. If the figures I was shown earlier were correct, then surely the focus should at some point be that there is hope that you can recover rather than always look at the negative?
I would be interested to note others opinions
 
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Ninj said:
a couple of things I'm not sure about:
Data protection> If person "A" is allowed to leave hospital, and then goes to a care home, under Data Protection and GDPR rules, are the hospital allowed to disclose personal details of a third person? Additionally, if a care home was taking someone who has been in hospital with Covid 19 or suspected of it, would you as a care home owner / manager self isolated that person? And warned your staff and organised suitable PPE?
Additionally, I have attended a seminar earlier today where it was stated that 4.3 million people have had Covid 19 and at time of writing this 300,00 have died. Some have had other medical conditions which would have made recovery impossible or very difficult. If the figures I was shown earlier were correct, then surely the focus should at some point be that there is hope that you can recover rather than always look at the negative?
I would be interested to note others opinions
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For some reason we don’t, in this country, share the numbers of ‘recovered’ patients, even though one of the talking heads at the daily press conference said they have the data and there would be no problem sharing it. Spain has over 183,000 recorded as recovered. And this is just those recovered who initially had a positive test for the virus. Many many more than 4.3m have had it, they are the ones who were tested.The vast majority of those who had mild illness and have shaken it off would never have been tested. Most people recover, even of those who have been sick enough to get tested.

I suppose if the powers started going on about this people might be tempted to relax their laser like obedience to Stay Alert!

Didn’t really understand the GDPR bit. Though I am increasingly reluctant to download the Govt app when we are asked to.
 
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Ninj said:
a couple of things I'm not sure about:
Data protection> If person "A" is allowed to leave hospital, and then goes to a care home, under Data Protection and GDPR rules, are the hospital allowed to disclose personal details of a third person? Additionally, if a care home was taking someone who has been in hospital with Covid 19 or suspected of it, would you as a care home owner / manager self isolated that person? And warned your staff and organised suitable PPE?
Additionally, I have attended a seminar earlier today where it was stated that 4.3 million people have had Covid 19 and at time of writing this 300,00 have died. Some have had other medical conditions which would have made recovery impossible or very difficult. If the figures I was shown earlier were correct, then surely the focus should at some point be that there is hope that you can recover rather than always look at the negative?
I would be interested to note others opinions
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Don't know about the care home scenario, but my wife runs the nursing team at our local prison - capacity about 250. The current policy is transfers from other prisons are to be isolated for 14 days prior to joining the general population. Same policy for new prisoners. All visits are cancelled.

Since the start of the pandemic, they've had quite a few staff members off with the virus, but so far have had only one suspected case with an inmate, who was isolated away from others, and the wing he was on deep cleaned and all other prisoners on that wing also isolated. This is down to the due diligence and hard work the governor and the nursing team.

Barlinnie in Glasgow (much higher population) is rampant with cases, as are several other establishments. It goes to show that following a strict hygiene regime will keep this at bay.
 
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GDPR is an update of Data Protection regarding the individual.
I have thought about downloading the government app, however will wait to see the results of the Isle of Wight trial.
 
West WindsR said:
I suggest you grow up if you’re blaming Sadiq Khan for people getting the bus to work.
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Everyone told go back to work from Wednesday and TfL running reduced services under his instruction. No doubt he'll be asking for a multi-billion bail-out if he hasn't already. Every decision he's made has been Boris-class, a right pair of muppets...
 
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Little Bobby Generic has spent half an hour of his address to the entire nation telling the startlingly low number of us who are in the process of moving house how they can go about it. I think ‘if you are in this position have a look at this website’ would have been enough, but they have clearly run out of things to say at these things. Presumably if you are a cabinet minister who hasn’t had a go at entertaining us yet you should be fearing for your job.

No comparisons to other countries in todays slide deck. Apparently when they did that it was ‘premature’. Or it would be premature now, but wasn’t when they shared the comparisons, because they haven’t made any mistakes at all yet.
 
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