Off Topic Corona virus

[wakeybreakyheart]

It's a joke Jonny. We had over 6k new cases today. In two weeks time a % of that 6k will die (around 5%?). Numbers are still too high.

This last week, restrictions have already loosened. It's not official, but it has already happened. The local fish and chip shop was allowed to open LAST week.

Us in the UK have had a very 'easy' lockdown. Very loose. It's why numbers are not dropping the same as elsewhere. We haven't done the hard yards!

Oh well! At least we got Cheltenham done.

And you believe that other countries are reporting correctly. I had read lots and India have no way of counting. Have a read and see what I mean. The UK is recording deaths as corona even people with underlying health problems. The full figures will be seen in months time when the W. H. O have the info from all countries. Italy are currently seeing an increase of over 90% while the UK is 52%.
As for your chippy opening get a grip you can't catch corona from a fish. Round here they opened weeks ago and social measures have been put in place.

 

[ristac]

I think our government has been juggling with what is an acceptable amount of deaths and what is an acceptable amount of collapse to the economy. The guy doing the briefing today was cringeworthy to watch, I didn’t find it easy viewing.

Boris needs to be careful now, he hasn’t got such a pushover sitting in front of him on the Labour bench. I agree with Emu, it has been a semi lockdown, not strict enough to quash it and yet strict enough to ensure a few are struggling financially.

I’ve been okay with the handling of it so far but I’m now fearing the government are getting it wrong. Rather than a phased opening I think we could possibly do with a two week super clampdown, no takeaways, no DIY or hardware, no corner shops, no Amazon.

We’re stuck in the middle and the problem with a phased reopening is some businesses can start earning money again but those at the back of the queue risk a massive hit if this goes tits up and we have to revert back to square one.

 

[NostradEmus]

And you believe that other countries are reporting correctly. I had read lots and India have no way of counting. Have a read and see what I mean. The UK is recording deaths as corona even people with underlying health problems. The full figures will be seen in months time when the W. H. O have the info from all countries. Italy are currently seeing an increase of over 90% while the UK is 52%.
As for your chippy opening get a grip you can't catch corona from a fish. Round here they opened weeks ago and social measures have been put in place.

I'm not that bothered by the chippy opening. It's this notion that restrictions will be loosened next week. They have been more and more relaxed for a good few weeks now.

Problem is that the number of new infections is not dropping low enough. It takes approximately 2 weeks to die of this thing if it gets hold of you. We had over 6k new infections today, third highest yet I think. If 5% of those go on to die in two weeks then we still have a daily death rate of over 300. Personally I think that is still a bit too high looking at other countries. There are alot of other European countries who have tested more people a day and have far less new infections. BTW 5% is extremely conservative. It's currently much much higher. I guess we will see in 2 weeks.

Italy are seeing a 90% increase in what?

 

[NostradEmus]

I think our government has been juggling with what is an acceptable amount of deaths and what is an acceptable amount of collapse to the economy. The guy doing the briefing today was cringeworthy to watch, I didn’t find it easy viewing.

Boris needs to be careful now, he hasn’t got such a pushover sitting in front of him on the Labour bench. I agree with Emu, it has been a semi lockdown, not strict enough to quash it and yet strict enough to ensure a few are struggling financially.

I’ve been okay with the handling of it so far but I’m now fearing the government are getting it wrong. Rather than a phased opening I think we could possibly do with a two week super clampdown, no takeaways, no DIY or hardware, no corner shops, no Amazon.

We’re stuck in the middle and the problem with a phased reopening is some businesses can start earning money again but those at the back of the queue risk a massive hit if this goes tits up and we have to revert back to square one.

Exactly this. We've not got anywhere near on top of this thing yet. Our recovery will be much slower than other countries due to the 'let's see what happens' attitude we had here. I would say us and the U.S are the most likely to be hit with a 2nd wave than anyone else on the planet.

 

[wakeybreakyheart]

I'm not that bothered by the chippy opening. It's this notion that restrictions will be loosened next week. They have been more and more relaxed for a good few weeks now.

Problem is that the number of new infections is not dropping low enough. It takes approximately 2 weeks to die of this thing if it gets hold of you. We had over 6k new infections today, third highest yet I think. If 5% of those go on to die in two weeks then we still have a daily death rate of over 300. Personally I think that is still a bit too high looking at other countries. There are alot of other European countries who have tested more people a day and have far less new infections. BTW 5% is extremely conservative. It's currently much much higher. I guess we will see in 2 weeks.

Italy are seeing a 90% increase in what?

Of total deaths in this period compared to the same months last year.

 

[Eireleeds1]

Been watching these figures fir a while. Only one that gives a true indication of trends are icu numbers. No idea what yours are. Ours consistently dropping every day for lat two weeks thankfully. Hopefully yours are too

 

[JonnyLosAngeles]

It's a joke Jonny. We had over 6k new cases today. In two weeks time a % of that 6k will die (around 5%?). Numbers are still too high.

This last week, restrictions have already loosened. It's not official, but it has already happened. The local fish and chip shop was allowed to open LAST week.

Us in the UK have had a very 'easy' lockdown. Very loose. It's why numbers are not dropping the same as elsewhere. We haven't done the hard yards!

Oh well! At least we got Cheltenham done.

It’s unreal how some people are put out by these measures that are designed to save lives. Selfish or ignorant society?

 

[esteponawhite]

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
A. Einstein.
He was not wrong.

 

[JonnyLosAngeles]

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
A. Einstein.
He was not wrong.

Smart man that!

I was just thinking of you yesterday, I hadn’t noticed any comments from you for awhile.

All good with you?

 

[esteponawhite]

Smart man that!

I was just thinking of you yesterday, I hadn’t noticed any comments from you for awhile.

All good with you?

Hi Jonny, thank you for thinking about me,
I have been on here but maybe not so much as usual, no soccer!
As you know I live in Spain and we have been hit very hard, we have been in total lockdown now for nearly 8 weeks.
On the most part it has been strictly observed, was eerie going to buy food, streets empty no cars etc.
Also spanish cops do not have the ‘please go home’ attitude the UK ones have.
They are a bit more hardcore, maybe not US levels tho!
Restrictions are set to be lifted next week so lets see what happens!
I hope you and yours are fine.
Stay safe, stay home, stay strong.
MOT

 

[wakeybreakyheart]

I’ve just been having a look at something I saw on the news comparing englands deaths from covid to Germany and New Zealand.
Firstly I thought what a weird comparison to compare england and New Zealand knowing how sparsely populated it is. New Zealand has a population density of 18 people per sq km, where as england has 430 people per sq km.. making New Zealands pop density nearly 24x smaller than englands, so for the media to compare the two when they’re talking about the spread of a virus that requires people being close to each other to thrive is completely ridiculous.
Then I thought, well I know Germany are doing pretty well at dealing with the virus so I thought I wonder how densely populated Germany is, 227 people per km2, which is 1/2 the density of England. so the deaths in the England are 14.5k and in Germany are 4650.. that’s not far off 3x smaller than England, so every time the media slate how we are dealing with it just remember that if Germany had the same population density as us they would be relatively similar to us with the same amount of deaths. Also the disparities in how they report covid19 deaths are an issue when the uk reports any deaths where covid is present compared to Germany who only list it on the death certificate if it is a predominant factor.
Spain has 91 people per square km with a death toll of nearly 22k so when you compare those to England’s numbers they are doing absolutely horrendously compared to us when their pop density is 5x smaller than ours.
France has 117 people per square km, with a death toll of nearly 20k so again, they are doing much much worse than we are when we are.
We have a lower death per capita level than France, Italy and Spain, when all of them have a population density way lower than ours.
France 302
Italy 391
Spain 446
England 218
Which is very important when this is a virus that thrives in densely populated situations so if we were dealing with it as badly as these 3 countries we would be losing thousands more!
The overall death toll of a country with 10million cannot be compared to a country with 66million such as Belgium and the uk which is being done regularly. The deaths per million of the population of Belgium is double that of the uk, when the overall population is 6x smaller than the uk so Belgium is doing twice as bad as the uk in effect.
The death toll in a Country with a small population will obviously have a lower death toll than a country with a large population, it’s common sense, so to compare two figures of simply death toll is manipulating figures to suit a certain agenda.
My point is that when you compare the numbers truthfully we are doing well compared to other countries when we have such a densely populated country, please do some of your own fact checking and digging before you believe the utter garbage that is being fed to us at the moment!
**just to clarify this post is absolutely supporting a continued lockdown until we are absolutely safe to start lifting restrictions**

 

[lufctommo]

I’ve just been having a look at something I saw on the news comparing englands deaths from covid to Germany and New Zealand.
Firstly I thought what a weird comparison to compare england and New Zealand knowing how sparsely populated it is. New Zealand has a population density of 18 people per sq km, where as england has 430 people per sq km.. making New Zealands pop density nearly 24x smaller than englands, so for the media to compare the two when they’re talking about the spread of a virus that requires people being close to each other to thrive is completely ridiculous.
Then I thought, well I know Germany are doing pretty well at dealing with the virus so I thought I wonder how densely populated Germany is, 227 people per km2, which is 1/2 the density of England. so the deaths in the England are 14.5k and in Germany are 4650.. that’s not far off 3x smaller than England, so every time the media slate how we are dealing with it just remember that if Germany had the same population density as us they would be relatively similar to us with the same amount of deaths. Also the disparities in how they report covid19 deaths are an issue when the uk reports any deaths where covid is present compared to Germany who only list it on the death certificate if it is a predominant factor.
Spain has 91 people per square km with a death toll of nearly 22k so when you compare those to England’s numbers they are doing absolutely horrendously compared to us when their pop density is 5x smaller than ours.
France has 117 people per square km, with a death toll of nearly 20k so again, they are doing much much worse than we are when we are.
We have a lower death per capita level than France, Italy and Spain, when all of them have a population density way lower than ours.
France 302
Italy 391
Spain 446
England 218
Which is very important when this is a virus that thrives in densely populated situations so if we were dealing with it as badly as these 3 countries we would be losing thousands more!
The overall death toll of a country with 10million cannot be compared to a country with 66million such as Belgium and the uk which is being done regularly. The deaths per million of the population of Belgium is double that of the uk, when the overall population is 6x smaller than the uk so Belgium is doing twice as bad as the uk in effect.
The death toll in a Country with a small population will obviously have a lower death toll than a country with a large population, it’s common sense, so to compare two figures of simply death toll is manipulating figures to suit a certain agenda.
My point is that when you compare the numbers truthfully we are doing well compared to other countries when we have such a densely populated country, please do some of your own fact checking and digging before you believe the utter garbage that is being fed to us at the moment!
**just to clarify this post is absolutely supporting a continued lockdown until we are absolutely safe to start lifting restrictions**

The problem with the population density figures is that they assume everyone in the country lives equally spaced out. In reality, most Germans live in big cities the same as we do. If you take similar sized cities, Munich has a population density of 4,500/ sq km compared to 3,600 / sq km for Birmingham.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

I’ve just been having a look at something I saw on the news comparing englands deaths from covid to Germany and New Zealand.
Firstly I thought what a weird comparison to compare england and New Zealand knowing how sparsely populated it is. New Zealand has a population density of 18 people per sq km, where as england has 430 people per sq km.. making New Zealands pop density nearly 24x smaller than englands, so for the media to compare the two when they’re talking about the spread of a virus that requires people being close to each other to thrive is completely ridiculous.
Then I thought, well I know Germany are doing pretty well at dealing with the virus so I thought I wonder how densely populated Germany is, 227 people per km2, which is 1/2 the density of England. so the deaths in the England are 14.5k and in Germany are 4650.. that’s not far off 3x smaller than England, so every time the media slate how we are dealing with it just remember that if Germany had the same population density as us they would be relatively similar to us with the same amount of deaths. Also the disparities in how they report covid19 deaths are an issue when the uk reports any deaths where covid is present compared to Germany who only list it on the death certificate if it is a predominant factor.
Spain has 91 people per square km with a death toll of nearly 22k so when you compare those to England’s numbers they are doing absolutely horrendously compared to us when their pop density is 5x smaller than ours.
France has 117 people per square km, with a death toll of nearly 20k so again, they are doing much much worse than we are when we are.
We have a lower death per capita level than France, Italy and Spain, when all of them have a population density way lower than ours.
France 302
Italy 391
Spain 446
England 218
Which is very important when this is a virus that thrives in densely populated situations so if we were dealing with it as badly as these 3 countries we would be losing thousands more!
The overall death toll of a country with 10million cannot be compared to a country with 66million such as Belgium and the uk which is being done regularly. The deaths per million of the population of Belgium is double that of the uk, when the overall population is 6x smaller than the uk so Belgium is doing twice as bad as the uk in effect.
The death toll in a Country with a small population will obviously have a lower death toll than a country with a large population, it’s common sense, so to compare two figures of simply death toll is manipulating figures to suit a certain agenda.
My point is that when you compare the numbers truthfully we are doing well compared to other countries when we have such a densely populated country, please do some of your own fact checking and digging before you believe the utter garbage that is being fed to us at the moment!
**just to clarify this post is absolutely supporting a continued lockdown until we are absolutely safe to start lifting restrictions**

Whichever way you look at it, it is 30,000 people who have died in the UK and that is too many. It's not a competition and nobody is doing well. 72,000 in the US 7,500 in Germany or 26,000 in France etc all horrendous and totally unbelievable if you look back to what was normal in Jan 2020.

But as you are comparing countries Oz 97 deaths and 25 million people, scale that up and the UK should have had, what 250 deaths? and the US about 1000. Yes there is a population density lens that should be put on this, but I'll stop there.

 

[wakeybreakyheart]

Whichever way you look at it, it is 30,000 people who have died in the UK and that is too many. It's not a competition and nobody is doing well. 72,000 in the US 7,500 in Germany or 26,000 in France etc all horrendous and totally unbelievable if you look back to what was normal in Jan 2020.

But as you are comparing countries Oz 97 deaths and a 25 million people, scale that up and the UK should have had, what 250 deaths? and the US about 1000. Yes there is a population density lens that should be put on this, but I'll stop there.

Which proves nothing

 

[Eric Le Merde]

Which proves nothing

No it doesn't just that we all have to take care and do the right thing.

 

[Eireleeds1]

No it doesn't just that we all have to take care and do the right thing.

Making proper use of your borders and stopping people flying in and out for race meetings and cl matches also helped you keep figures down. Also idea of locking down each state was excellent

 

[brisbane-lion]

I’ve just been having a look at something I saw on the news comparing englands deaths from covid to Germany and New Zealand.
Firstly I thought what a weird comparison to compare england and New Zealand knowing how sparsely populated it is. New Zealand has a population density of 18 people per sq km, where as england has 430 people per sq km.. making New Zealands pop density nearly 24x smaller than englands, so for the media to compare the two when they’re talking about the spread of a virus that requires people being close to each other to thrive is completely ridiculous.
Then I thought, well I know Germany are doing pretty well at dealing with the virus so I thought I wonder how densely populated Germany is, 227 people per km2, which is 1/2 the density of England. so the deaths in the England are 14.5k and in Germany are 4650.. that’s not far off 3x smaller than England, so every time the media slate how we are dealing with it just remember that if Germany had the same population density as us they would be relatively similar to us with the same amount of deaths. Also the disparities in how they report covid19 deaths are an issue when the uk reports any deaths where covid is present compared to Germany who only list it on the death certificate if it is a predominant factor.
Spain has 91 people per square km with a death toll of nearly 22k so when you compare those to England’s numbers they are doing absolutely horrendously compared to us when their pop density is 5x smaller than ours.
France has 117 people per square km, with a death toll of nearly 20k so again, they are doing much much worse than we are when we are.
We have a lower death per capita level than France, Italy and Spain, when all of them have a population density way lower than ours.
France 302
Italy 391
Spain 446
England 218
Which is very important when this is a virus that thrives in densely populated situations so if we were dealing with it as badly as these 3 countries we would be losing thousands more!
The overall death toll of a country with 10million cannot be compared to a country with 66million such as Belgium and the uk which is being done regularly. The deaths per million of the population of Belgium is double that of the uk, when the overall population is 6x smaller than the uk so Belgium is doing twice as bad as the uk in effect.
The death toll in a Country with a small population will obviously have a lower death toll than a country with a large population, it’s common sense, so to compare two figures of simply death toll is manipulating figures to suit a certain agenda.
My point is that when you compare the numbers truthfully we are doing well compared to other countries when we have such a densely populated country, please do some of your own fact checking and digging before you believe the utter garbage that is being fed to us at the moment!
**just to clarify this post is absolutely supporting a continued lockdown until we are absolutely safe to start lifting restrictions**

Christ, I shall need a calculator to read your posts in future.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

Been watching these figures fir a while. Only one that gives a true indication of trends are icu numbers. No idea what yours are. Ours consistently dropping every day for lat two weeks thankfully. Hopefully yours are too

Our are going up only because we are testing a lot more people, it's critical cases in hospitals going down, that's the main thing, and the biggest problem atm is care homes, chip shops never had to close in the first place, the one nearest me stayed open for a few days, but no one went in, so they shut.

 

[NostradEmus]

Our are going up only because we are testing a lot more people, it's critical cases in hospitals going down, that's the main thing, and the biggest problem atm is care homes, chip shops never had to close in the first place, the one nearest me stayed open for a few days, but no one went in, so they shut.

Christ! I wish I'd never mentioned the Chip shop! The point was that more and more shops have been allowed to open this last week or so. Fast food shops, B & Q etc. The relaxation has started weeks ago.

I see the press are now stopping with the scaremongering and now saying that this virus doesn't really affect younger people.

 

[Eireleeds1]

Christ! I wish I'd never mentioned the Chip shop! The point was that more and more shops have been allowed to open this last week or so. Fast food shops, B & Q etc. The relaxation has started weeks ago.

I see the press are now stopping with the scaremongering and now saying that this virus doesn't really affect younger people.

Its all very well for the press to say it doesn't affect young people. Take my business for example. Im close to sixty and personally know people of similar vintage who've had a bad time with the virus. Im self employed so lets say one of my competitors who is 30 is deemed safe to open his business, I have to open mine or lose customers despite me being higher risk. Same applies to older hairdressers, publicans, restaurant owners etc. Does society just throw people on the scrap heap that are approaching the end of their productive days?