Coronavirus

[Solid Air]

I shall sort it now for you.

cheers boss .

 

[brb]

****ing he'll ... if that's the crime, Saxton would be facing several thousand concurrent life sentences

Some toys ocassionally need putting back in their box


Donga ban lifted

 

[aberdude]

The air’s clearer in London too, in fact it’s probably more noticeable here. Plus the birdsong is way louder than I can ever remember it. Saw three goldfinches earlier today, on the TV ariel opposite, and shortly after that, 5 starlings landed one after another.

Slim pickings for the pigeons though. They’re used to feasting on kebab meat and puddles of sick outside pubs, they must be wondering what’s hit them.

Nature without man......what a beautiful place it would be.

Glad to hear London is cleaning its self up its long overdue, thank you covid.

Last time a mate from London visited me and the lads down here he couldn't sleep because he never heard a racket like it, he said it was like trying to sleep in a avery......apart from the drugs we took he was a broken man leaving us from lack of sleep

 

[afcftw]

I’d really like to know why mass testing wasn’t deemed to be appropriate for us when it was advised by the WHO a couple of months back. It’s a genuinely decent effort to get up to 70-80k tests daily now even if the intentional fudged number on one day was a propaganda exercise. It shouldn’t have had to have been such a steep ‘ramping up’.

I think part of the issue early on was about accuracy of the tests available and which ones to put the funding and effort into. They seemed to dither on mass rollout because of the fear of getting things vastly wrong by using inaccurate tests. Which kept being mentioned by the advisors in the briefings. They got tripped up on the anti-body tests that didn’t work and then seemed to be searching around for something they could rely on. Without knowing what the accuracy was of the tests that were available and the quantities we were able to buy I wouldn’t want to hazard a guess at how much they messed up, even though clearly it was slow to happen.

 

[brb]

I’d really like to know why mass testing wasn’t deemed to be appropriate for us when it was advised by the WHO a couple of months back. It’s a genuinely decent effort to get up to 70-80k tests daily now even if the intentional fudged number on one day was a propaganda exercise. It shouldn’t have had to have been such a steep ‘ramping up’.

Does seem odd. Do you think it could be we didn't have the manufacturing or lab ability?

 

[brb]

I think part of the issue early on was about accuracy of the tests available and which ones to put the funding and effort into. They seemed to dither on mass rollout because of the fear of getting things vastly wrong by using inaccurate tests. Which kept being mentioned by the advisors in the briefings. They got tripped up on the anti-body tests that didn’t work and then seemed to be searching around for something they could rely on. Without knowing what the accuracy was of the tests that were available and the quantities we were able to buy I wouldn’t want to hazard a guess at how much they messed up, even though clearly it was slow to happen.

Just a past thought off the top of my head, without checking it online, didn't Spain do a load of tests that proved to be inaccurate, could the hesitancy been as a result of that inofrmation?

Just a shot in the dark, I genuinly don't have a clue.

 

[afcftw]

Nature without man......what a beautiful place it would be.

Glad to hear London is cleaning its self up its long overdue, thank you covid.

Last time a mate from London visited me and the lads down here he couldn't sleep because he never heard a racket like it, he said it was like trying to sleep in a avery......apart from the drugs we took he was a broken man leaving us from lack of sleep

I find the total opposite, London is far noisier than other areas of the country and it’s always strangely quiet when visiting other parts of the country. A combination of traffic, trains, sirens and general activity keeps London fairly noisy even at night! It’s been very odd that by late evening everything is so still outside.

 

[Treble]

Boris seems to be owning up on this "... the epidemic in care homes is something I bitterly regret." Fair play.

Tbf nobody not even Boris wants the catastrophe we're seeing in care homes so his regret isn't the issue. It's the incompetence, its consequences and the attempted stonewalling he should be answering for

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Does seem odd. Do you think it could be we didn't have the manufacturing or lab ability?

I think @afcftw makes a fair point.

However, Jenny Harries said on stage that the WHO advice was to be taken with a pinch of salt as they have to advise so broadly and that mass testing wasn’t appropriate for “rich countries like us”. At the time, South Korea and Germany were all over it so it seemed a bizarre comment.

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

Nature without man......what a beautiful place it would be.

Glad to hear London is cleaning its self up its long overdue, thank you covid.

Last time a mate from London visited me and the lads down here he couldn't sleep because he never heard a racket like it, he said it was like trying to sleep in a avery......apart from the drugs we took he was a broken man leaving us from lack of sleep

The only problem with Nature WITH Mankind ,is we are such selfish wasteful race .

Any chance this scare will make us change in any way at all ?

Heart = Yes .

Head = Highly Unlikely .

 

[brb]

I think @afcftw makes a fair point.

However, Jenny Harries said on stage that the WHO advice was to be taken with a pinch of salt as they have to advise so broadly and that mass testing wasn’t appropriate for “rich countries like us”. At the time, South Korea and Germany were all over it so it seemed a bizarre comment.

I do feel the government is hiding behind the science a lot, yet when it was called for to take the scientific advice in the stages, they never took it.

Germany were clearly ahead of the game, and I also don't blame them for their early apporach, every country is duty bound to protect it's own citizens first.

I'm starting to think the government panicked, rather than being ahead of the game. By panicking that allowed the death toll to rise in care homes, at the expense of building hospital capacity that we didn't need and will probably never need.

I'd like to say their intentions were good, but I honestly don't believe they were, I think they sacrificed anyone over 80, like a lamb to the slaughter. By doing so, they could count spare beds into their thousands, which were of no use to anyone.

A couple of things stand out to me, that I've not forgotten, firstly they didn't lock us down in time, clearly evident from the football matches that were due to go ahead, thank fook they didn't, but it wasn't the government that stopped that from happening.

Secondly in Care Homes, right on first day of lockdown, the elderly were signing end of life forms, and that is the most shocking aspect of all this. It says to me, people knew what was going to happen, and they allowed it to happen, regardless if those people only had a few weeks of life left in them.

 

[afcftw]

The only problem with Nature WITH Mankind ,is we are such selfish wasteful race .

Any chance this scare will make us change in any way at all ?

Heart = Yes .

Head = Highly Unlikely .

I don’t think coronavirus will make much difference at all to consumerism or how we treat the planet.

I do however think that social attitudes towards the environment are changing anyway and at quite a decent speed. Whether they change enough to deal with the need to have everything immediately who knows!

 

[Tel (they/them)]

For clarity, am I one of the butthurt four? It’s important I know for self-improvement.

You should up your game either way I believe mate.

 

[FosseFilberto]

You should up your game either way I believe mate.

 

[HRH Custard VC]

I do feel the government is hiding behind the science a lot, yet when it was called for to take the scientific advice in the stages, they never took it.

Germany were clearly ahead of the game, and I also don't blame them for their early apporach, every country is duty bound to protect it's own citizens first.

I'm starting to think the government panicked, rather than being ahead of the game. By panicking that allowed the death toll to rise in care homes, at the expense of building hospital capacity that we didn't need and will probably never need.

I'd like to say their intentions were good, but I honestly don't believe they were, I think they sacrificed anyone over 80, like a lamb to the slaughter. By doing so, they could count spare beds into their thousands, which were of no use to anyone.

A couple of things stand out to me, that I've not forgotten, firstly they didn't lock us down in time, clearly evident from the football matches that were due to go ahead, thank fook they didn't, but it wasn't the government that stopped that from happening.

Secondly in Care Homes, right on first day of lockdown, the elderly were signing end of life forms, and that is the most shocking aspect of all this. It says to me, people knew what was going to happen, and they allowed it to happen, regardless if those people only had a few weeks of life left in them.

I dont think the UK gov took it as serous as what it now is.

The China man said it was not that bad and the gov stupidly believed them.

 

[brb]

I don’t think coronavirus will make much difference at all to consumerism or how we treat the planet.

I do however think that social attitudes towards the environment are changing anyway and at quite a decent speed. Whether they change enough to deal with the need to have everything immediately who knows!

I've said it from the beginning, nothing will change, governments might cease opportunity. That word the unions used I love 'opportunist' - companies are going to milk it. I honestly believe we are slowly edging towards a totalitarian state, in fact we are virtually there.

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

I do feel the government is hiding behind the science a lot, yet when it was called for to take the scientific advice in the stages, they never took it.

Germany were clearly ahead of the game, and I also don't blame them for their early apporach, every country is duty bound to protect it's own citizens first.

I'm starting to think the government panicked, rather than being ahead of the game. By panicking that allowed the death toll to rise in care homes, at the expense of building hospital capacity that we didn't need and will probably never need.

I'd like to say their intentions were good, but I honestly don't believe they were, I think they sacrificed anyone over 80, like a lamb to the slaughter. By doing so, they could count spare beds into their thousands, which were of no use to anyone.

A couple of things stand out to me, that I've not forgotten, firstly they didn't lock us down in time, clearly evident from the football matches that were due to go ahead, thank fook they didn't, but it wasn't the government that stopped that from happening.

Secondly in Care Homes, right on first day of lockdown, the elderly were signing end of life forms, and that is the most shocking aspect of all this. It says to me, people knew what was going to happen, and they allowed it to happen, regardless if those people only had a few weeks of life left in them.

Didn't know that , and it is an utter disgrace .

 

[FosseFilberto]

I do feel the government is hiding behind the science a lot, yet when it was called for to take the scientific advice in the stages, they never took it.

Germany were clearly ahead of the game, and I also don't blame them for their early apporach, every country is duty bound to protect it's own citizens first.

I'm starting to think the government panicked, rather than being ahead of the game. By panicking that allowed the death toll to rise in care homes, at the expense of building hospital capacity that we didn't need and will probably never need.

I'd like to say their intentions were good, but I honestly don't believe they were, I think they sacrificed anyone over 80, like a lamb to the slaughter. By doing so, they could count spare beds into their thousands, which were of no use to anyone.

A couple of things stand out to me, that I've not forgotten, firstly they didn't lock us down in time, clearly evident from the football matches that were due to go ahead, thank fook they didn't, but it wasn't the government that stopped that from happening.

Secondly in Care Homes, right on first day of lockdown, the elderly were signing end of life forms, and that is the most shocking aspect of all this. It says to me, people knew what was going to happen, and they allowed it to happen, regardless if those people only had a few weeks of life left in them.

The neglect, or at best, apathy, in relation to the most vulnerable in our society was, quite frankly, appalling ... many of the old boys that have passed during this will have fought for their country ... at the least, they might have expected that country to at least give a **** in their twilight years ... so saddening

 

[brb]

I dont think the UK gov took it as serous as what it now is.

The China man said it was not that bad and the gov stupidly believed them.

Sorry mate, but I'm not blaming the Chinese, let me tell you why, and I've said this before on here;

The weekend before lockdown, i had a ticket to go to a football match. I could not understand why after seeing the events in Italy, that those games were still going ahead. Ok, they were eventually all cancelled at the 11th hour, but some non league games still went ahead.

Now if I as a mere nobody is thinking like that, why are the people that are supposed to be protecting us not thinking like that.

I'm like, why have we not even shut the borders, yes it was already here, but I'm not a scientist, so I might ask questions that could be seen as well, but, yer know, blah,blah.

But at least we sorted the essential bit out on day one, we got all the over 80's in care homes to sign end of life forms.

 

[Chief]

Secondly in Care Homes, right on first day of lockdown, the elderly were signing end of life forms, and that is the most shocking aspect of all this. It says to me, people knew what was going to happen, and they allowed it to happen, regardless if those people only had a few weeks of life left in them.

It is seemingly a harsh approach, no doubt, but given the indication and advice was (and clearly there is truth in this) that the virus would take a strong hold in the elderly and frail, I'm interested to know how people would stop this happening?

Giving the care home workers PPE, as is the biggest complaint? How does that protect those in the care home?

The care homes should have shut up shop immediately for a start, that would have helped.

I appreciate testing would have gone a long way to ascertaining if care home workers were carrying the virus but I also believe that the virus was getting into care homes regardless, and it is very, very difficult to stop in that demographic.




by the way I AM NOT DEFENDING THE GOVERNMENT APPROACH. I'd just love to hear the retrospective plan of all the not606 corona experts.