Not sure what you do actually
He doesn't drive and the test centre is about 7 miles away at the humber bridge .
Just stayed at home for 7 days
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He doesn't drive and the test centre is about 7 miles away at the humber bridge .
Just stayed at home for 7 days
I think it was mentioned weeks ago do not go to A&E under any circumstances if you have symptoms but dial 999 if getting worse...
Not on this chart mate, it’s the deaths per million population rate, I think the cheat you are referring to must be on the absolute number of deaths comparisons, where I assume we don’t see Japan at all.
I’ve just done some dodgy working out. If each line on the y axis represented 100 deaths per million population, instead of jumping from 1 to 10 to 100 to (presumably) 1000, the Japan line would be almost flat at the bottom of the chart, Germany would be just below the first line, the US just below the second line and you would have to extend the y axis another 4 lines to get the rest on. It would look very different indeed.
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Don't know if this helps, but this Q&A in the FT explains why they use a logarithmic scale:
https://www.ft.com/video/9a72a9d4-8db1-4615-8333-4b73ae3ddff8
[You can click on the link to see the transcript]. Relevant answer copied. Not sure if you'll agree with it, but thought interesting to share.
Question number one is, why are we using a log scale, a logarithmic scale, on the y-axis, the vertical axis? Viruses spread exponentially. So by that, we mean it doesn't go from one person infected today, then two, then three, then four. It's more like one, then two, then four, then eight. It rises at an ever-increasing, ever-accelerating rate. And so the great thing about log scales is that they naturally take that into account. So instead of a line that looks a bit like a hockey stick and shoots up into the sky, you get a nice straight line.
And now, some people will counter and say, well, doesn't that mean that people are going to be less concerned? They're going to think this is only going up at a steady pace, rather than an exponential one. But I'd say a couple of things to that. The first is that what we want to do with these charts is to inform people and make people aware of the severity of the issue, but not to panic people.
And so by showing this on a straight line, we're emphasising that there's an inevitability about how coronavirus spreads. So most countries we're seeing are on this line of cases doubling every two, three, four days. And we want to emphasise that, even if there are only a few cases in your country today, based on all the data we have, you will end up going along that path, the same path that the likes of Italy and Spain have been on so tragically.
So yeah, with the log scale, we're not trying to play down the rate at which it increases. We're trying to emphasise that the exponential nature of this spread is something that we see everywhere, and we're trying to make it easier to see here's where you are today, here's where you might be in five, six, seven days, and how does that compare to other countries, whose cases you'll be familiar with, where they were at the same stage.
Yeah I know what a log scale is. Do you think it is clear to the general public, without a 4 paragraph explanation which itself says that to use the more straightforward scale would panic people? Nah, me neither. Plus of course this explanation is about plotting the line for a single country, not for comparisons between multiple countries, where it is not the steepness of individual lines that matter, but the distance between the lines. The scales chosen narrow the gaps in a very misleading way.
Sorry, I really am quite cross, ire not directed at you! And of course it’s not really important at the moment for those who are actually ill, or who have lost their jobs. I had lost trust in our scientific and medical advisors some time ago anyway, they are now fully politicised as far as I can see.
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It was the funeral of my friend that died in St Thomas's a few weeks back. I was told despite him suffering a heart attack but afterwards testing positive for Covid 19 about a week later the cause of death included Covid 19. It's quite possible he would not have recovered but it will count amongst the total. Without post mortems the body count for the virus will doubtless include some that were likely to have died anyway.
I think this underlines our unpreparedness in that there isn't real clarity in the end totals, out of convenience many will simply be listed as Covid 19...
I think this underlines our unpreparedness in that there isn't real clarity in the end totals, out of convenience many will simply be listed as Covid 19...
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Interesting article...
https://www.hsj.co.uk/exclusive-deaths-of-nhs-staff-from-covid-19-analysed/7027471.article
https://www.hsj.co.uk/exclusive-deaths-of-nhs-staff-from-covid-19-analysed/7027471.article
Ha, don't worry, I had assumed your knowledge of health data and how to read it surpasses mine, was more interested in sharing their rational behind the editorial decision. Essentially they admit they want people to realise that the spread is inevitable, irrespective of country, to get people to take it seriously. I guess I'd potentially choose to publish both graphs...
To try my hardest to be fair to them [which isn't easy] I suppose not wanting to cause panic in the UK at the moment is partially understandable, with the full arguments about what went wrong etc saved for an official inquest in a few moths. Hardly likely to happen, I agree.
The ruler of Dubai has purchased 60 tonnes of personal protective equipment (PPE) to donate to the UK's National Health Service.
The first of several planeloads arrived at Heathrow from suppliers in China this afternoon.
A spokesman for Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, prime minister of the UAE, said that because of his "deep and longstanding connections with the UK...he is determined to do his bit to keep Britain's health workers safe".
The first flight carried more than 660 boxes of face masks and other items.
Sheikh Mohammed made headlines earlier this year after being found by the High Court in London to have abducted and forcibly returned two of his daughters to Dubai, and to have conducted a campaign of intimidation against his former wife, Princess Haya.
Source: BBC. Obviously the Sheikh can be asking for nothing in return for his generosity.
It’s interesting that he can get access to these supplies when our government, which has already said that money is no object, clearly can’t.
The first of several planeloads arrived at Heathrow from suppliers in China this afternoon.
A spokesman for Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, prime minister of the UAE, said that because of his "deep and longstanding connections with the UK...he is determined to do his bit to keep Britain's health workers safe".
The first flight carried more than 660 boxes of face masks and other items.
Sheikh Mohammed made headlines earlier this year after being found by the High Court in London to have abducted and forcibly returned two of his daughters to Dubai, and to have conducted a campaign of intimidation against his former wife, Princess Haya.
Source: BBC. Obviously the Sheikh can be asking for nothing in return for his generosity.
It’s interesting that he can get access to these supplies when our government, which has already said that money is no object, clearly can’t.
Our dear leader’s triumphant return. We’ve been gloriously saved by his excellence from the otherwise inevitable 500,000 deaths. That is 450,000 people who would have died had Corbyn won the election. We are not worthy.
They have included all deaths in hospitals, care homes, and others. Your figures were wrong.. . unless of course the NHS, ONS, and many doctors, registrars are all part of the government cover-up?
Interesting take on that gesture. Its well known that there is a worldwide shortage of PPE but perhaps they had it and don't require it. That certainly wasn't my first thought when I read that.
IN ALL SETTINGS, learn the line. Still a lot of people but nowhere the figure you mentioned and some in the media.
Good to see The Three Amigos back at the briefing. They even showed a fab video.
You can put it in capitals but it doesn’t answer my question.
You’ll get there, mate. Yes I imagine any Year 8 science students watching enjoyed it.
Flights came direct from China, though I suppose he could have bought the stuff for Dubai and then decided they don’t need it or that our need was greater.
Maybe they are hiding 14K bodies? I better look over my Mrs shoulder when she registering the deaths and passing it on to the ONS. Maybe she is part of a cover-up?
You talk rubbish mate.
I’m not suggesting that. I’m suggesting you look a bit less selectively at how they come to the number they do. The ONS definition is clear enough but you appear to have skipped out part of it.
Sb did you see that BBC interview last night with the Chinese ambassador to the UK?
Scary mate. He was saying the disease didn't come from China and they don't have those 'wet markets'... they are fruit and veg.
We have to deal with these people?