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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Whiteleas Wanderer, Jan 19, 2020.

  1. Montysoptician

    Montysoptician Well-Known Member

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    Is that the Royal WE, because you don't speak for me
     
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    Some are demanding that i agree. But is he useless?

    Sure, the footballing side of it has been lacking and i along with everyone else wanted promotion last season. That being said he has done a good job in making the club sustainable. None of us would have predicted a worldwide pandemic and it will surely send a few clubs to the wall however i'm certain that we won't be one of them and a lot of that is down to SD and CM whether people want to admit it or not.
     
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  4. Confucius

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    Considering I was answering to a post that said “those that are demanding he sells up”, it’s pretty evident isn’t it. Montys optician indeed, maybe you need to look at yourself
     
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  5. Confucius

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    The balance would be making us sustainable whilst not affecting what goes on the pitch though. He sacked everything he could, some of it was needed obviously, but the scouting and recruitment didn’t need his mates. We are in League One and people thinking he has done a good job, is proof to me that he has somehow persuaded those that we are a run of the mill one. With proper recruitment and correct decisions, we wouldn’t be in this league. He held onto Ross too long, he appointed the wrong successor in my book and the Grigg situation was a farce and then he playfought like a child on a faux leather sofa with his mate who he gave a very important role to.
     
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  6. Montysoptician

    Montysoptician Well-Known Member

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    I understand now and missed that it was a response and in the correct context, my apologies. However I do get irritated that people seem to assume all supporters want rid of the current owners irrespective of who replaces them.

    Although my username was chosen for a different reason, as you point out, it is quite apt on this occasion.<doh>
     
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  7. Confucius

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    No worries mate, oh I know it isn’t what all fans want, and I don’t mind having the discussion, you are all wrong though :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  8. Ozzymac

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    I agree with most of what you are saying, don't get me wrong.

    I don't think that he has the finances to keep us moving forward and to be fair, he admitted this from day 1. If we'd have beaten Charlton in the playoff final i think that we'd be in a completely different situation in regards to investment/ownership. I also think that the "fans" wouldn't have made their statement had we been promoted.

    SD said at the beginning of last season that the playoffs were the goal and we achieved that target and narrowly missed promotion. All up it wasn't a failure of a season in regards to what the club, not the fans, expected.

    The Grigg situation was a farce but given his record i believe that SD felt he was a good signing, most of the fans agreed at the time by the way. It didn't work out but can you imagine the grief that he would have received if we didn't sign a striker when Maja left? I can only imagine the vitriol that would have been directed his way.

    Your comment regarding proper recruitment and correct decisions is 100% correct however it's also worth considering that there are 24 teams vying for 3 promotion spots which means that 21 of those clubs will get it wrong. That's a 12.5% chance of promotion "if" the recruitment and decisions are spot on.
     
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  9. Confucius

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    The only good thing I can say is that his heart is in the right place. I fell for his bullshit at the start as well Mac lad, welcomed him, but it is just too big and he cant help but employ his mates
     
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  10. Ozzymac

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    Agree with that mate <cheers>
     
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  11. Montysoptician

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    I think not, but that's an argument that can never be resolved between us because whilst we may think we have all the "facts" we haven't. There are strong opinions either way and irrespective of what you or I say, neither of us will change our stance so it 's hardly worth scrapping over.

    I am risk averse by nature, some are more cavalier and that's their prerogative. I would love a more competent owner and a quick return to the top flight, but my experiences of our chairmen/owners over the years, haven't exactly filled me with confidence.

    What can't be up for debate was the highly paid dross we had on the playing side and the perilous financial plight we were in when Donald bought us, so he does deserve a little credit. :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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    Ha’way man, if yer bought for a quid with the promise of more to come the old saying that if it looks too good to be true it probably is.
    I would rather someone pays 40m As that’s not all they have in the bank, rather than a quid who haven’t got 40m in the bank.
     
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    Hit thenail on the head, the football side has been lacking, from U18 upwards we are abysmal, dog ****, pathetic, unorganised and a laughing stock.
    Still, why on earth would a FOOTBALL CLUB be any good at errr football
     
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    He's had that credit, but like I say, he got the balance all wrong, it will affect us for years. The academy is an absolute mess and I could have sacked every ****er and had the same results. We still have dross on the playing side, its just not highly paid. Abysmal recruitment, young talent leaving left, right and centre, mates in high places. I still think Parkinson will be a disaster, that bit is debateable, what isn't debateable is the bullshit like
    "'Phil has a proven track record when it comes to achieving promotion "- I think he's had two promotions in about 16 seasons.
    " he was the prime candidate to take the club forward. 'His CV put him on our short list. His references from within the game set him apart."- Whose references where they then? Was it Charlies when he talked about him keeping Colchester in the Championship, despite him never managing them there?
    What about the lies/misleading over the takeover that never was, the one where he said that he didn't know if the new owners wanted him, then changed to it only ever being investment
    He is taking the piss and I don't blame anyone for falling for it, I did at first. But since then there has been far too much gone on to expect someone who failed at Eastleigh, despite chucking money at it, to get it right here. especially since the bloke he sacked twice is now Head of Footballing operations.
    There is an awful lot gone wrong since he came to the club and it speaks volumes that every single mag would want him to stay here
     
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    I won't defend the current owner and I don't fall for anything, I have my own views based on my 60 years following this club through thin and thinner. My job for the last 32 years makes me question everything and everyone so please don't mistake me for a naive person.

    Most of what you have posted there is conjecture, by all means post it as opinion but when you post it as fact, excuse me if I take no notice of it.

    As I said neither of us will change our opinion based on what the other posts so it is a pointless exercise and not worth debating.
     
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    No he’s not. Charlie said that that had all stopped.
     
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    I don’t think I said you were naive in particular but there you go
    I also have over 50 years, although that has absolutely nothing to do with this matter, it doesn’t make you or me any better of a judge.
    Conjecture?
    Fact one, Parkinson has two promotions in about 16 years- those claims I typed about his success were from Donald
    Fact 2, Methven said he was appointed by what he achieved in the Championship at Colchester when he did an RR podcast- he never managed them in the Championship
    Fact 3, SD said he doesn’t know if the new owners wanted him, now he is saying it was just investment
    No one is asking you to change your mind but to claim you aren’t taking any notice because it doesn’t suit your argument, is not the best way to debate
     
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  19. Montysoptician

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    Where did I say I wasn't taking any notice? It's difficult to debate with people who change words to make their argument, and one of the reasons I try not to involve myself with debate on social media. However when you post things like "every single mag would want him to stay here", it demonstrates to me how shallow and childlike your thinking is.
     
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    The bit where you said “excuse me if I take no notice”, sort of makes me think you said you are taking no notice. It’s more difficult to debate with people who can’t remember what they posted 10 minutes beforehand
    My last line does nothing of the sort, is that one of your “facts”. I’m fairly certain that if he was doing such a sterling job, they wouldn’t want him to hang on. You may not want to debate but quite happy to throw petty little insults around
     
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