A bit like how I feel on Adam Pearson, yet my comments are somehow unforgivable. Phil Brown is a legend and is the greatest manager we've ever had, in 10/20 years time I imagine more people will respect what he did, but the mindset of the modern football fan is that once you've gone you're ****e. He should have never been sacked, and if he wasn't I imagine we'd be talking about a match against Man Utd on Saturday rather than Preston North End.
What is the point of discussing what was or what might have been....some of you sound like tws fans at times. We are 12th in the championship....we may well have been 24th like Preston knob end but for a good managerial appointment which again some questioned early on in the season....some questioned our new managers tactics, some his appointments like McLean but lets face it, we are doing far better than expected at the begining of the season and are not too far away from a play off place and looking like a decent football team once again. I think we got a bit above ourselves by being in the prem for 2 poxy seasons....... As for Brown, OLM said it very well....Jekyl and Hyde...I preferred Jekyl...Hyde got us relegated....Pearson may be Mr nice guy and all that but we are under the radar at the minute, nobody is talking about us even after thrashing Scunny...it all reminds me of a few seasons ago. UTT
Why is it you manage to post the biggest tripe on these threads and then post this? For a first I actually agree with you, at the time Brown was sacked we had just managed to start playing better and the team selections were also improving. To sack him at the time we did literally condemned us to the championship and dowie was the explanation point. I honestly believe that if we kept brown we would still be in the premier league squaring off against the big boys.
At the end of the day it was Brown who got us up to where we had never been before, you wouldnt have imagined it if you had said that to us when we were in the relegation zone, come saturday i will applaud him, ashbee and wayne brown and brian horton, you cannot blame players for leaving to further their career. Brown was the reason we went down, but it was duffen aswell, he did tromendous things for us and he deserves our upmost respect
Billy Davies was on 5 live on Saturday night, saying we (along with a few others) have great strength in depth and are therefore more likely to get promotion than Forest. There's a kiss of death then!!!
i also will be applauding mr brown and co. Should ave been left to finnish season but ehh life goes on,we shall be mighty again? (i can taste it )
do people forget how crap we where 10 years ago....people talk like losing our premier league status is a hanging offence for who evers fault it was ( not that i agree it was all his fault) just getting into that league was a ridiculous achievement, short, short memories some people.
Everyone scoffed, coz I brought Geo off, now it's the city fans hardcore that want me to **** off.. love that line and the marlon king bit!
It's not the relegation that annoys people though is it? It's the financial fiasco he and his mate Duffen created.
Did a great job, turned to a good job, started finding it difficult, started talking ****, started acting like a tit, ended up with the one of the worst run of results of any Premier League manager in history, maybe should have lost his job earlier, was sacked at an inappropriate time in the season...but, saved us from Championship relegation, got us to Wembley, the top flight, beat Arsenal and Tottenham away. Cheers Brownie, you'll be welcomed warmly this weekend - but then see your new club dicked by your old. Such is football. I'm more than happy with where we are, and where we're going.
Phil Brown can go f--k himself for all i care.. we should have sacked him before he start of last season.. THE garbage brown and duffer duffen brought in to the club and the cash the blew dropped us well in the sh-t. Nigel Pearson has had my full support from day one and with Adam and Nigel pearson the future is Black and Amber... we have a better team now and a better manager and a better set up.. long live the pearsons.......f--k off Brown .. ps.......iv followed city for years and remember how crap we once was before anyone asks.. i dont know , i never took to phil brown from day one to be honest...i was too pissed off that Peter taylor had jumped ship as i liked him so maybe i wouldnt have took to anyone at the time...
Exactly. Club made a loss of ã10m in 2007/08 due to the gamble with players such as Pedersen and Okocha (Ok, some of that loss was promotion bonus). Without that promotion you're staring into another decade of floundering finacially (remember our turnover from gate receipts is around ã8m a season). Gamble pays off and big pay day arrives. ã60m (including around ã22m in parachute payments) from promotion. At this point you have to say he's done a good job (although having taken quite a risk with the club). Wage bill in 08//09 was already making the club insolvent. Fancy payment plans mask seriousness of issue (together with deliberately delaying filing of accounts). As it stood on relegation: Losses of around ã30m, with unchecked wage bill likely to cause further ã20m in losses this year plus whatever ridiculous rate was being paid on the Investec loan (guessing north of 10%). Parachute payments of ã48m over 4 years pretty much put club back at square 1 assuming financial planning to reduce wage bill after year 1, although liquidity issues start raising their head in a big way due to the short0term liabilities. As it happens, Allams come in and pay off debts. PeArson and PearsoN have a clearout and drag wage bill down to roughly sustainable level. Still have bulk of ã48m of parachute payments in hand. Who is to say how much of the financial mis-management was down to Brown, how much to Duffen and how much to Bartlett? What we do know is that the club was on the financial edge, and that having secured the riches of promotion. Too many rumours about financial irregularities that I don't want to bring in here. People claim we were a big fish in a small pond in the lower divisions and our gates essentially allowed us to buy promotion from division 3 into the Championship (Taylor's achievement was rubbish - whatever). IMO Phil Brown effectively bought us promotion from the Championship, much the same way Ridsdale tried to do it with Cardiff and Ipswich gave Keane a blank cheque book. It's Leicester's turn now. What happened is we got lucky, and succeeded where they failed. There's no doubting that Brown has some talent as a manager. The only question is how much. I like the fact that Nigel is building a team similar to that which got promoted, but on a budget and with resaleable assets in mind.
Just another one to keep the debate alive. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hcKyasPFHI As has been pointed out, there were two sides to PB, the one who got us to Wembley and got us promoted, but there was another PB. The one who bought Peter Halmosi and sold Michael Turner for approximately the same amount of money. The second one almost took the club to hell on a handcart. Which PB you remember is down to individual choice. I know where I stand.
6 am, I am now off out for the day with Heather, catch you all later. Is this ok with you Tiger James? Just wondering like.
Brownie is a ****er He wears a ****ers hat He's got a phoney sun tan Cos he's a phoney twat He came and pinched our Ashbee Which caused us lots of pain And if he comes back here again Let's hope he takes Mc Shane oh, BROWNIE IS A ****ER etc
