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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by astro, Mar 23, 2020.

  1. Garlic Klopp

    Garlic Klopp Well-Known Member

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    Having viewed most of your recent posts I am beginning to suspect you doe not like Mr Johnson.
     
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    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-meet-covid-19-testing-targets-say-scientists

    Paul Hunter, a professor of medicine at the University of East Anglia, said he viewed the target as impossible. “I cannot see that being achieved,” he said. “It was always designed to be a headline grabber rather than anything else.”

    The World Health Organization has repeatedly urged governments to pursue testing and tracing, and some countries, including Singapore and South Korea, have successfully used this approach to contain their outbreaks, while Germany has also continued to carry out contact tracing.

    The UK abandoned population testing and contact tracing in early March

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  3. astro

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    He started it.
     
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  6. astro

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    Brilliant. And I suppose when someone's house is flooded it helps to know someone 100 miles away is dry and full of sand bags.
     
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  7. Diego

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    Not really, but it helps to know what the **** your talking about before trying to be clever.
     
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  8. Garlic Klopp

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  9. Red Hadron Collider

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    Nice one lad <ok>
     
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  10. Tobes

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    The article appears to be largely the words of healthcare professionals via various organisations.

    What facts have been ignored exactly?
     
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  11. Garlic Klopp

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    The fact that there are some supplies getting through. I am due a batch this week. I am sure if my company can get them the NHS can. Whether they are distributed efficiently once the NHS have them is a different matter. The nurses, doctors, and other frontline staff are doing a great job, but as often happens with the NHS the management and bureaucracy undermines what the frontline staff try to do.
     
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  12. Tobes

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    Yeah there’s absolutely no issue as you’ve got some masks or whatever coming mate, well done you’ve exposed the media lies.

    And then blaming the NHS for supposed mismanagement of the distribution process, just for good measure.
     
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  13. astro

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    Government goes on TV and promises 84 tonnes of PPE on Sunday. It doesn't turn up. But we are all supposed to just accept it so long as they can find one other thing they didn't lie about?

    BTW they're also lying about being able to do 100,000 test by the end of April at the latest, so let's keep an eye how that one gets spinned over the coming days.

    They've already got disgraced Liam Fox on TV blaming the NHS for PPE shortages.
     
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  14. Klopp's Mannschaft

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    I don't think that was a lie, more it was more an unrealistic goal which was only pitched to the country to keep things happy and optimistic. They were only doing 5000 tests a day when that was announced so even at the time, it seemed a unreasonable goal to most people. Stupid thing to say tbh because now they'll be slaughtered for it when they, inevitably, fail to meet the target. They'll deflect however they need to.

    Nothing detracts from the simple fact that we're still under testing compared to nearly every other country in Europe, despite being amongst the worst affected. Baffling.

    Although there's building reports that the anti-body tests are a waste of time anyway since people may be able to be re-infected so why the huge PR push with testing? Maybe it just makes them look better.

    Some time in my life, I would like a government who are just blunt and honest rather than spin and lie and twist everything to try make themselves look better. We're not the mugs they believe and I think people would prefer the truth, even if a little tough to take.
     
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  15. astro

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    Everything they do is based on putting their own image first. Nothing to do with science, and it's not just vacuous it's actually hurting the fight against coronavirus.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-meet-covid-19-testing-targets-say-scientists

    “I cannot see that being achieved. It was always designed to be a headline grabber rather than anything else.”

    “This macho thing about the number of tests done each day is leading to a reporting standard that makes the data almost uninterpretable.”

    “Reporting the number of tests performed each day is a political requirement, not a scientific requirement.”
     
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  16. Garlic Klopp

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    There is a world shortage of PPE not just in the UK. I think the NHS distribution was poor initially, they then sorted matters better, but now there is a world shortage of PPE. The masks I am getting are different to the visors etc they need in hospitals. I obviously also do not need gowns etc as well. I have a lot of friends who work at various levels in the NHS and their initial complaints were that the PPE was there, but they could not get any. Now it is difficulty getting some. I think 5m masks came in yesterday, but that is probably only a couple of weeks supply.
     
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  17. Tobes

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    Yeah the national shortage was **** all to do with the running down of the value of National stocks due to austerity cut backs.

    Absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the Cygnus simulation in 2016 pointed out the lack of PPE stocks should a pandemic hit, but the report was ignored and then buried, by the Tories.

    Oh and absolutely nothing to do with the complete lack of strategic planning that took place by this Govt during the 2 months advance warning they had of this pandemic arriving here.
     
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  18. astro

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    Also nothing to do with the government being so incompetent at procurement they handed £20m to a scam virus test seller

    It's all those nurses wasting it on the front lines
     
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    The Tories have been caught with 128 fake Twitter accounts claiming to be NHS staff to push their propaganda


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