Ha ha - I responded, but it got deleted by the clique police. Anyone who has a differing opinion gets banned and deleted. Perhaps I will contact another admin and make a compliant
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People who come here and have a point to make get a hearing no matter what they think. People who come here simply to create waves get posts removed, or after warnings get banned. Simple really w_y. If you wish to associate yourself with someone who has come on here and used foul and abusive language about another poster then that is your choice.
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They get a hearing as long as it's aligned to the clique on here. SH gets banned for complaining about one of the elite seemingly being happy about the PM being ill with COVID, do you really believe the mealy mouthed comments about not really being amused about Boris being ill? You turn a blind eye to anyone who is aligned to the narrative on this board and censor all else. Anyway, I will leave you to your self congratulatory back slapping - this site will die with no differing opinion and you all deserve it.
Of course not, Toby was allowed to abuse SH, Lenny and myself without any censure because he fitted in with the clique.
You are wrong w_y. SH was banned because he was using foul language about another poster. You would not have seen it because it was taken down as soon as he posted it. He knew very well that he would be banned if he continued with that sort of personal abuse, yet chose to continue.
I hope you are not referring to me being happy that Johnson has the virus, w_y?
I assume also that the “mealy mouthed comments about not really being amused about Boris being ill” are my comments:
“I hope he, along with everyone else diagnosed, gets better.”
“I wished him a full recovery.”
“Shame he didn’t read what I wrote. I genuinely hope everyone recovers from the effects of this terrible virus.”
“I extend well-wishes to BoZo.”
Yes, I called him Bozo. Because I think he is one. He doesn’t have my respect, but that doesn’t mean I wish him or anyone else to be in hospital with this virus.
I truly hope I am mistaken that you meant me and my comments, w_y.
yorkshirehornet
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I cannot understand w-y attitude at all...... we used to have a great time with him and then politics and abuse took over.....
I even messaged him personally but no reply
I ask myself is he just watching post after post on here.... or does he have some sort of link with SH ....
For me i was mightily relieved when all the bad vibes stopped a few days back... it gives me no pleasure to be involved in nastiness.... and the only time wy comes on here is when nastiness prevails and he wants to put some in....
Additionally it really created an atmosphere on the boards..... snd stopped others posting....
It is also worth noting that Toby was also banned for a long time by supermods....
...and of course these message boards are primarily about WFC.... and that should be the main focus.... not perpetuating some inflammatory dialogues...
I even messaged him personally but no reply
I ask myself is he just watching post after post on here.... or does he have some sort of link with SH ....
For me i was mightily relieved when all the bad vibes stopped a few days back... it gives me no pleasure to be involved in nastiness.... and the only time wy comes on here is when nastiness prevails and he wants to put some in....
Additionally it really created an atmosphere on the boards..... snd stopped others posting....
It is also worth noting that Toby was also banned for a long time by supermods....
...and of course these message boards are primarily about WFC.... and that should be the main focus.... not perpetuating some inflammatory dialogues...
yorkshirehornet
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Worth noting that Toby was banned after all that and he served his sentence.....
Some good news from France on two fronts. First of all because of the lock down road deaths and injuries have fallen quite dramatically. Both down by around 45% compared to the same figures from last year. The same reduction is not noted however with the heavy lorries, and because of the empty roads those who do go out are tending to ignore the speed limits.
The second piece of good news is that although the figures are still dreadful the number of people in intensive care from the virus has dropped for the third day in a row, freeing up the beds and equipment. Only 53 more people had to be admitted to hospital today, while on the 26th March 2,365 were taken in. The direct comparison between the UK is in hospital deaths where the latest figure is 917 for the UK and 345 in France. Although it is far too soon to say that things are getting better, it does seem that the very strict enforcement of regulations is having some effect. The warning is that there are tens of thousands in the country who have the virus and can pass it on despite showing no symptoms themselves.
The second piece of good news is that although the figures are still dreadful the number of people in intensive care from the virus has dropped for the third day in a row, freeing up the beds and equipment. Only 53 more people had to be admitted to hospital today, while on the 26th March 2,365 were taken in. The direct comparison between the UK is in hospital deaths where the latest figure is 917 for the UK and 345 in France. Although it is far too soon to say that things are getting better, it does seem that the very strict enforcement of regulations is having some effect. The warning is that there are tens of thousands in the country who have the virus and can pass it on despite showing no symptoms themselves.
The absence of a reply to my posts is disappointing, w_y, and demonstrates clearly that any "mealy-mouthed" comments were evidently yours alone.
As for my wishing illness/death on another human being, do not judge me by your standards, which are also evidently, lower than mine.
It's a shame how you have changed. Perhaps you haven't, perhaps we were all misled by your previously apparent character.
Priti Patel said yesterday:
"I'm sorry if people feel that there have been failings. I will be very, very clear about that."
It would be better to have said:
"I'm sorry that there have been failings. That is being very, very clear about that."
"But at the same time, we are in an unprecedented global health pandemic right now. It is inevitable that the demand and the pressures on PPE and demand for PPE are going to be exponential."
All true. Except these shortages were predicted beforehand by a government report whose advice the Tory government chose to ignore.
According to the BBC website, Matt Hancock "said on Friday there was enough kit for everyone and unveiled a plan to address shortages. He said the government was looking into how NHS staff who had died with the virus had been infected - adding that some may have caught it outside of work."
'Mealy-mouthed' is apparently a buzzword on this thread. I think it is mealy-mouthed of Hancock to try and deflect blame for deaths of NHS staff away from the government's failure to provide them with correct protective equipment, to the possibility that that wasn't the reason they died - they might very well have caught it outside of work. This is such a lily-livered, shameless failure to take responsibility. The viral load, we have learned, is critical in terms of the outcome of this virus. Is Hancock suggesting that the viral load of their lives "outside of work" was great enough to be responsible for their deaths? Or is this just for the benefit of the Daily Mail readers - "It probably wasn't our fault anyway..."?
"But that doesn't take away from the bravery of every single NHS worker," he said, adding that his "heart goes out" to those who have died and their families.
Mr Hancock said he was "particularly struck at the high proportion of people from minority ethnic backgrounds and people who have come to this country to work in the NHS who have died of coronavirus".
"We should recognise their enormous contribution," he added.
Should? Should??? Not time for a modal verb that is not qualified, Mr Hancock. Either:
"We recognise their enormous contribution." or "We should, and we do, recognise their enormous contribution,"
Mealy-mouthed, Matt?
"I'm sorry if people feel that there have been failings. I will be very, very clear about that."
It would be better to have said:
"I'm sorry that there have been failings. That is being very, very clear about that."
"But at the same time, we are in an unprecedented global health pandemic right now. It is inevitable that the demand and the pressures on PPE and demand for PPE are going to be exponential."
All true. Except these shortages were predicted beforehand by a government report whose advice the Tory government chose to ignore.
According to the BBC website, Matt Hancock "said on Friday there was enough kit for everyone and unveiled a plan to address shortages. He said the government was looking into how NHS staff who had died with the virus had been infected - adding that some may have caught it outside of work."
'Mealy-mouthed' is apparently a buzzword on this thread. I think it is mealy-mouthed of Hancock to try and deflect blame for deaths of NHS staff away from the government's failure to provide them with correct protective equipment, to the possibility that that wasn't the reason they died - they might very well have caught it outside of work. This is such a lily-livered, shameless failure to take responsibility. The viral load, we have learned, is critical in terms of the outcome of this virus. Is Hancock suggesting that the viral load of their lives "outside of work" was great enough to be responsible for their deaths? Or is this just for the benefit of the Daily Mail readers - "It probably wasn't our fault anyway..."?
"But that doesn't take away from the bravery of every single NHS worker," he said, adding that his "heart goes out" to those who have died and their families.
Mr Hancock said he was "particularly struck at the high proportion of people from minority ethnic backgrounds and people who have come to this country to work in the NHS who have died of coronavirus".
"We should recognise their enormous contribution," he added.
Should? Should??? Not time for a modal verb that is not qualified, Mr Hancock. Either:
"We recognise their enormous contribution." or "We should, and we do, recognise their enormous contribution,"
Mealy-mouthed, Matt?
The absence of my reply was because I try and limit my time online and do more positive activities. I cannot recall if it was your words or the others that chipped in other comments such as the Tories being responsible for XX deaths due to austerity, but it hardly gives the impression that much sympathy is being felt. But this is traditional lefty class war strategy - look at the Labour Mayor whose comments have led her to have the Labour whip removed and lost her legal job, or the deputy leader of the RMT who has been suspended due to his vile comments.
If you choose to judge my standards, I'll leave it to you.
Genuine question. I have seen many comments on various online forums about this government report that predicted shortages of PPE and other items such as ventilators. I have also seen it quoted as a lessons learned report from a pandemic "rehearsal" exercise that was carried out several years ago. I have searched for the report all over the Internet, but cannot find a link to the report. I can find a HSE report of a Influenza Pandemic, but it does not have the level of detail you describe.Priti Patel said yesterday:
"I'm sorry if people feel that there have been failings. I will be very, very clear about that."
It would be better to have said:
"I'm sorry that there have been failings. That is being very, very clear about that."
"But at the same time, we are in an unprecedented global health pandemic right now. It is inevitable that the demand and the pressures on PPE and demand for PPE are going to be exponential."
All true. Except these shortages were predicted beforehand by a government report whose advice the Tory government chose to ignore.
According to the BBC website, Matt Hancock "said on Friday there was enough kit for everyone and unveiled a plan to address shortages. He said the government was looking into how NHS staff who had died with the virus had been infected - adding that some may have caught it outside of work."
'Mealy-mouthed' is apparently a buzzword on this thread. I think it is mealy-mouthed of Hancock to try and deflect blame for deaths of NHS staff away from the government's failure to provide them with correct protective equipment, to the possibility that that wasn't the reason they died - they might very well have caught it outside of work. This is such a lily-livered, shameless failure to take responsibility. The viral load, we have learned, is critical in terms of the outcome of this virus. Is Hancock suggesting that the viral load of their lives "outside of work" was great enough to be responsible for their deaths? Or is this just for the benefit of the Daily Mail readers - "It probably wasn't our fault anyway..."?
"But that doesn't take away from the bravery of every single NHS worker," he said, adding that his "heart goes out" to those who have died and their families.
Mr Hancock said he was "particularly struck at the high proportion of people from minority ethnic backgrounds and people who have come to this country to work in the NHS who have died of coronavirus".
"We should recognise their enormous contribution," he added.
Should? Should??? Not time for a modal verb that is not qualified, Mr Hancock. Either:
"We recognise their enormous contribution." or "We should, and we do, recognise their enormous contribution,"
Mealy-mouthed, Matt?
Can you provide a link to this report as I would be interested to see the detail over PPE logistics and Ventilator supply. Thanks.
OK. I accept the limiting time online, I come on for very short bursts myself, so I apologise if I didn’t give you enough of a chance to reply. I withdraw that.
You mistake my words as not being sympathetic. I don’t wish harm on anyone. That is why I draw attention to the neglect of the people working for our health services, for whom clapping and calling them “heroes” is a cheaper alternative than providing them with appropriate level of PPE. Or, as Hancock recently has, suggesting they are not using what they have responsibly - another appalling failure to take responsibility for the lack of safety equipment. Or saying their lives (those from the NHS who have died from COVID-19) “outside work” may have been the reason they died. Or saying “sorry if you feel” you haven’t had the right PPE. Or ignoring the report (I’ll try and find a link, but we’re going back a number of days of news and sometimes it’s hard to find links to something on the same day as I’ve read it! But I will try).
I will look into the RMT and mayoral situation, I haven’t read those.
Yes, my political leanings are to the left, but I hope we can discuss and disseminate information to improve all our understanding of what goes on. SH just throws **** and runs, never addressing any point made by others. Leo became very personal, but not all his comments were on the public side of this forum. My memory of you is different, and I hope we can all learn from each other. I think a number of people questioned the extent of Johnson’s illness, mainly because his condition was ‘spun’ by media and government spokespersons.
But please don’t assume that I am cheering when I hear anyone’s life is in jeopardy.
It wasn’t published, w_y. It’s existence was uncovered by the Sunday Telegraph a couple of weeks ago (didn’t find the exact date of that). Here is a Telegraph link, I’m assuming the ST comes under that website too:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ncovered-pandemic-warnings-buried-government/
The WHO study which goes back many years and has been updated on a number of occasions is discussed at length in many journals, and the response from different governments looked at and debated. Just one example looks at how countries in Europe have responded, but there are dozens more. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17441692.2016.1149202
If you read through it you will see what I think are quite big differences between the two countries I know most about, France and the UK. France created a plan. " The French strategy is to first identify the virus and to limit the epidemic at the source as much as possible through international assistance. This is followed by attempts to slow the dissemination of the pandemic through measures such as isolation, treatment, prophylaxis, managing transport and border controls. The plan also calls for attenuating the health impact by limiting contacts in places of high human concentration such as schools." A plan which has basically been carried out.
Compare that with the UK approach. "This means that it almost certainly will not be possible to contain or eradicate a new virus in its country of origin or on arrival in the UK. The expectation must be that the virus will inevitably spread and that any local measures taken to disrupt or reduce the spread are likely to have very limited or partial success at a national level and cannot be relied on as a way to ‘buy time'. (DH Pandemic Influenza Preparedness Team, 2011, p. 11)"
Numerous well respected doctors have written in journals such as the Lancet to state how badly prepared the NHS has been.
"Dr Horton cited an example from his journal on January 20, pointing to a global epidemic: ‘preparedness plans should be readied for deployment at short notice, including securing supply chains of pharmaceuticals, personal protective equipment, hospital supplies and the necessary human resources to deal with the consequences of a global outbreak of this magnitude."
Dr Horton said the Government’s Contain-Delay-Mitigate-Research plan had ‘failed’ and that not following World Health Organisation advice was a mistake.
Just one from many. Anyone who tries to argue that the UK have created a plan, spent the money on necessary resources, and in so doing looked after their employees has not really noticed what has been going on over the past decade.
If you read through it you will see what I think are quite big differences between the two countries I know most about, France and the UK. France created a plan. " The French strategy is to first identify the virus and to limit the epidemic at the source as much as possible through international assistance. This is followed by attempts to slow the dissemination of the pandemic through measures such as isolation, treatment, prophylaxis, managing transport and border controls. The plan also calls for attenuating the health impact by limiting contacts in places of high human concentration such as schools." A plan which has basically been carried out.
Compare that with the UK approach. "This means that it almost certainly will not be possible to contain or eradicate a new virus in its country of origin or on arrival in the UK. The expectation must be that the virus will inevitably spread and that any local measures taken to disrupt or reduce the spread are likely to have very limited or partial success at a national level and cannot be relied on as a way to ‘buy time'. (DH Pandemic Influenza Preparedness Team, 2011, p. 11)"
Numerous well respected doctors have written in journals such as the Lancet to state how badly prepared the NHS has been.
"Dr Horton cited an example from his journal on January 20, pointing to a global epidemic: ‘preparedness plans should be readied for deployment at short notice, including securing supply chains of pharmaceuticals, personal protective equipment, hospital supplies and the necessary human resources to deal with the consequences of a global outbreak of this magnitude."
Dr Horton said the Government’s Contain-Delay-Mitigate-Research plan had ‘failed’ and that not following World Health Organisation advice was a mistake.
Just one from many. Anyone who tries to argue that the UK have created a plan, spent the money on necessary resources, and in so doing looked after their employees has not really noticed what has been going on over the past decade.
As I wrote, my response was against what I saw and see as a collective response on here. I never intended to pick you out as an individual and fully accept your position - I never intended to cause offence and apologise if I did.OK. I accept the limiting time online, I come on for very short bursts myself, so I apologise if I didn’t give you enough of a chance to reply. I withdraw that.
You mistake my words as not being sympathetic. I don’t wish harm on anyone. That is why I draw attention to the neglect of the people working for our health services, for whom clapping and calling them “heroes” is a cheaper alternative than providing them with appropriate level of PPE. Or, as Hancock recently has, suggesting they are not using what they have responsibly - another appalling failure to take responsibility for the lack of safety equipment. Or saying their lives (those from the NHS who have died from COVID-19) “outside work” may have been the reason they died. Or saying “sorry if you feel” you haven’t had the right PPE. Or ignoring the report (I’ll try and find a link, but we’re going back a number of days of news and sometimes it’s hard to find links to something on the same day as I’ve read it! But I will try).
I will look into the RMT and mayoral situation, I haven’t read those.
Yes, my political leanings are to the left, but I hope we can discuss and disseminate information to improve all our understanding of what goes on. SH just throws **** and runs, never addressing any point made by others. Leo became very personal, but not all his comments were on the public side of this forum. My memory of you is different, and I hope we can all learn from each other. I think a number of people questioned the extent of Johnson’s illness, mainly because his condition was ‘spun’ by media and government spokespersons.
But please don’t assume that I am cheering when I hear anyone’s life is in jeopardy.