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Boris...

  • should completely lock us down immediately and fook up all our Christmas'

    Votes: 3 12.5%

  • let the bodies stack high

    Votes: 13 54.2%

  • lock us down from the 29th to fook up Treble's plans

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Total voters
    24
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Archers Road said:
Definitely not a Stalinist. A Socialist and a Trade Unionist, but a very liberal (note the small 'l') one.

If there is one thing I think this government has got right so far, it's their reliance on persuasion rather then coercion when it comes to directing public behaviour. If there's one thing they absolutely must take the blame for, it's the indisputable fact that 10 years of Tory austerity has weakened the capacity of the NHS and what's left of the welfare state to cope with a crisis of this kind.
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I know mate, I was just being tongue in cheek.

I might be back to voting for Labour soon, depending on what I hear from Keir. He sometimes has a slight smugness about him, he deffo sniffs his own farts after ripping one, likes to sample if it tastes of last nights dinner. But he seems the best candidate Labour have had for a while.
 
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Archers Road said:
Definitely not a Stalinist. A Socialist and a Trade Unionist, but a very liberal (note the small 'l') one.

If there is one thing I think this government has got right so far, it's their reliance on persuasion rather then coercion when it comes to directing public behaviour. If there's one thing they absolutely must take the blame for, it's the indisputable fact that 10 years of Tory austerity has weakened the capacity of the NHS and what's left of the welfare state to cope with a crisis of this kind.
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Politics again... Archie do you ever talk about anything else?
 
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It is a big grating when it becomes a political point scoring exercise.

Would the labour (or any other) party have been better prepared? No.
Would they have acted any better or more decisively? Probably not, they'd have listened to the science as well.
Would they gave reacted more decisively financially? No.

Would they have a magic warehouse full of ppe? No.
Would they produce a vaccine or tests quicker? No.

What's the point?

Yes, Tory austerity (in reaction to a labour induced recession) has caused the NHS to have been downgraded way too much but even so, there wouldn't be a load of empty hospital beds waiting for a crisis under labour, sorry.

I just don't see this world wide disaster as a political nit picking issue myself.

And no, I don't vote Tory.
 
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Chief said:
It is a big grating when it becomes a political point scoring exercise.

Would the labour (or any other) party have been better prepared? No.
Would they have acted any better or more decisively? Probably not, they'd have listened to the science as well.
Would they gave reacted more decisively financially? No.

Would they have a magic warehouse full of ppe? No.
Would they produce a vaccine or tests quicker? No.

What's the point?

Yes, Tory austerity (in reaction to a labour induced recession) has caused the NHS to have been downgraded way too much but even so, there wouldn't be a load of empty hospital beds waiting for a crisis under labour, sorry.

I just don't see this world wide disaster as a political nit picking issue myself.

And no, I don't vote Tory.
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But Amazon.
 
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armchairblue said:
People react differently to different things.......A peanut can kill some.We're all a bit more fragile than we like to think.
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It certainly made @Suckmyklopp eyes water when he stuck one up his jap's eye.
Chief said:
It is a big grating when it becomes a political point scoring exercise.

Would the labour (or any other) party have been better prepared? No.
Would they have acted any better or more decisively? Probably not, they'd have listened to the science as well.
Would they gave reacted more decisively financially? No.

Would they have a magic warehouse full of ppe? No.
Would they produce a vaccine or tests quicker? No.

What's the point?

Yes, Tory austerity (in reaction to a labour induced recession) has caused the NHS to have been downgraded way too much but even so, there wouldn't be a load of empty hospital beds waiting for a crisis under labour, sorry.

I just don't see this world wide disaster as a political nit picking issue myself.

And no, I don't vote Tory.
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Likewise to say it was a labour induced recession is no better than saying it's a tory induced pandemic.
 
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Treble said:
Likewise to say it was a labour induced recession is no better than saying it's a tory induced pandemic.
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That's how it works though, right?

It's the one in powers fault.

Although no one could seriously blame the Tories for causing it, they are certainly getting the blame for not sorting it all out to everyone's satisfaction.
 
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I don't really see what either of the parties could have done, the election was literally a few months ago. Both parties stated an increase in spending, especially in the NHS, was a top priority throughout the cycle.

Blaming Johnson and his cabinet for the actions of Cameron and Osborne is to me no different than if Corbyn was prime minister today and everyone blamed him for an underfunded NHS.
 
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Chief said:
That's how it works though, right?

It's the ones in powers fault.

Although no one could seriously blame the Tories for causing it, they are certainly getting the blame for not sorting it all out to everyone's satisfaction.
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There are some things we could've done better when compared with other countries but I would've said that whoever the government was if they were doing the same tbh.
 
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Treble said:
There are some things we could've done better when compared with other countries but I would've said that whoever the government was if they were doing the same tbh.
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It's been an evolving situation, some steps taken look slow in hindsight but at the time they clearly thought it was the right way to go. They aren't setting out to deliberately kill people.

I'm fairly sure Johnson isn't just making decisions loosely in the way Trump does, he'd have been taking scientific advice along the way.

A lot of the 'look what happened to that other country' rhetoric is exactly that, hindsight.

It'll be the same with loosening the lockdown, whatever is done won't be right.
 
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Chief said:
It's been an evolving situation, some steps taken look slow in hindsight but at the time they clearly thought it was the right way to go. They aren't setting out to deliberately kill people.

I'm fairly sure Johnson isn't just making decisions loosely in the way Trump does, he'd have been taking scientific advice along the way.

A lot of the 'look what happened to that other country' rhetoric is exactly that, hindsight.

It'll be the same with loosening the lockdown, whatever is done won't be right.
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When China built that hospital on the quick the rest of the world had a chance to get things moving.
They didn't......big ****ing mistake.
 
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