Coronavirus

[afcftw]

Only he had **** all experience of the NHS operationally and his career as health secretary was littered with **** ups. Including the massive data breach that he was warned about long before it happened. Not to mention the actual BMA giving him a vote of no confidence.

I said it wouldn’t be a popular thing to say

Regardless of any of the stuff you’ve said he really pushed hard to improve technology in the NHS, which was what brb was talking about.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Trump’s already decided it’s China. We’ll follow suit.

Thank God I'm only quarter Chinky. Bobby, you're on your own. ****.

 

[brb]

Thank God I'm only quarter Chinky. Bobby, you're on your own. ****.

Poor Bobby, he's getting the blame for everything

 

[Looney Leftie]

And if Corbyn had won and he was doing the same you would be saying what a great Government we have
All you lefties are f*****g hypocrites

What government have done today is pretty much what I suggested a couple of days ago and I have made no criticism other than to highlight the bollocks being spouted previously about the country having no money to help the poor and needy.

So I do not see myself as a hypocrite.

 

[Edelman]

So what is it to be ?
The Government have claimed that the NHS is the best I the world !
They have also said we need to fix our broken NHS !
I think fix our nhs is an excuse to accelerate privatisation !
Health care should never be for profit !

 

[Treble]

I hear what you are saying and that maybe so, but I just think we expect too much from the NHS these days. I don't mean that in a dismissive way, because it is important what you say. I just think we are expecting the system and fellow humans to perform miracles quite often, it's got to the stage where we want them to play god - sadly the reality of life, as we are finding at this very moment is that we can't save everyone, yet we will look for someone to blame. But yes, like you, i'd want it diagnosed and followed up as soon has possible, human nature to want to survive.

I think it's less to do with their competence and more to do with GPs having their hands tied by financial constraints. So when you go in showing symptoms of a potential serious illness they'll do a graduated response which is the cheaper approach, to rule out each lesser illness stage by stage. The problem with that is, by the time the actual ailment is identified it's not because the graduated response has worked, it's because the symptoms are so severe the investigation they should've done earlier needs to be done and then the correct diagnosis is identified. I've seen it happen 3 times with people very close to me. All with cancer.

I'm not knocking the NHS btw, and I'm not expecting the NHS to be perfect. Once the correct diagnosis is made the consultants, surgeons etc do the very best they can but they aren't Gods and they can't save us all. You have to expect that. But I think the speed of diagnosis is one area which is in their control and if we can address that it would make a big difference.

 

[Looney Leftie]

I'm quietly enjoying watching a Tory government embrace socialism and nationalise wages.

Just wish it wasn't in these circumstances.

 

[J๏E..]

Just put my firstborn to bed, sat there after she’d fallen asleep just listening to her breathing for a few minutes and appreciating the smaller, otherwise insignificant things that life offers us that we might take for granted. It was a nice moment for me... I hope this pandemic brings the best out of this country, we’ve lost our way these past few years, with divisions and hate... here’s hoping eh!

Moments to treasure bro, the love is so special, enjoy many nights like that..

 

[brb]

I think it's less to do with their competence and more to do with GPs having their hands tied by financial constraints. So when you go in showing symptoms of a potential serious illness they'll do a graduated response which is the cheaper approach, to rule out each lesser illness stage by stage. The problem with that is, by the time the actual ailment is identified it's not because the graduated response has worked, it's because the symptoms are so severe the investigation they should've done earlier needs to be done and then the correct diagnosis is identified. I've seen it happen 3 times with people very close to me. All with cancer.

I'm not knocking the NHS btw, and I'm not expecting the NHS to be perfect. Once the correct diagnosis is made the consultants, surgeons etc do the very best they can but they aren't Gods and they can't save us all. You have to expect that. But I think the speed of diagnosis is one area which is in their control and if we can address that it would make a big difference.

I appreciate that is your experience and respect that. It's just not been my experience and I can't say from other cases that I know that I've seen GP's trying to watch the financial restraints. Maybe it comes down to individual practises and geography, I honestly don't know.

 

[afcftw]

In quietly enjoying watching a Tory government embrace socialism and nationalise wages.

Just wish it wasn't in these circumstances.

Not sure I’d call using extreme measures to try and prevent economic collapse during an unprecedented health and economic crisis, embracing socialism.

 

[Archers Road]

and its been fantastic entertainment for 4 years.

What's your opinion of Bojo? as a dude, not politically

I have never had a particularly high opinion of Boris Johnson, and it didn’t take long for his bungling Ealing Comedy routine to start grating with me.

But I’m happy to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. He’s our elected leader (I didn’t vote for him but plenty did), and people need leaders. He has some leadership qualities, I can see that. And fuxakes man, I wouldn’t want to be him or any other country’s leader right now.

 

[Edelman]

Not sure I’d call using extreme measures to try and prevent economic collapse during an unprecedented health and economic crisis, embracing socialism.

It's a socialist ideal like it or not !

 

[afcftw]

It's a socialist ideal like it or not !

Which bit do you see as socialist and why?

 

[Treble]

It's a socialist ideal like it or not !

It's a marxist idea. And you all love it!

 

[Looney Leftie]

Which bit do you see as socialist and why?

The state taking over the payment of wages for the common good.

 

[Edelman]

Which bit do you see as socialist and why?

Underpinning peoples income certainly isnt part of the free market freudian ideal that prevails in the mindset of the Tory government but needed in times of crisis !
I'd say it's a lot more in line with the Keynesian way of thinking !

 

[afcftw]

The state taking over the payment of wages for the common good.

The state temporarily covering wages of those who would otherwise become unemployed to lower the burden on private businesses (via grants paid to the businesses) to protect the capitalist system, without taking any stake in said businesses thus not taking any control for the state or the people and therefor not socialism

 

[Treble]

Underpinning peoples income certainly isnt part of the free market freudian ideal that prevails in the mindset of the Tory government but needed in times of crisis !
I'd say it's a lot more in line with the Keynesian way of thinking !

Is that Milton Keynesian?

@Bodinki to confirm.

 

[Stan]

I have never had a particularly high opinion of Boris Johnson, and it didn’t take long for his bungling Ealing Comedy routine to start grating with me.

But I’m happy to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. He’s our elected leader (I didn’t vote for him but plenty did), and people need leaders. He has some leadership qualities, I can see that. And fuxakes man, I wouldn’t want to be him or any other country’s leader right now.

He may as well **** off and let Sunak and the scientists do the job. Johnson’s role has become the guy who points at the journalists during the press conference. As I’ve always said, he’s a game show host at best. He should let the grown ups to get the job done.

 

[afcftw]

Underpinning peoples income certainly isnt part of the free market freudian ideal that prevails in the mindset of the Tory government but needed in times of crisis !
I'd say it's a lot more in line with the Keynesian way of thinking !

Yep it’s not free market capitalism. Not socialism either though. It’s emergency measures to avoid economic crisis. Hardly some embracing of socialist ideals.