Coronavirus

[remembercolinlee]

I'm lucky that I live in a community where folk look out for each other. We also have a (relatively) small number of people living here, although it's over represented with older people living alone. For me this whole thing is about pragmatism, I'm not interested in arguing with people about what might or might not happen, and I'm not going to get into a panic reaction over any of it. There is a basic need on the ground to get food and provisions to people, I'm fit and healthy enough to help, so that's what I'll do.

**** knows what's going to happen to my business, as I think markets and events are pretty much finished for the next few months. I'm going to have to look into what financial support is available for self employed people, I think it's just basic Universal credit, so it's probs beans on toast for me for a while (if there are any baked beans left on the shelves)

Hope you get by ok mate

 

[brb]

I'm lucky that I live in a community where folk look out for each other. We also have a (relatively) small number of people living here, although it's over represented with older people living alone. For me this whole thing is about pragmatism, I'm not interested in arguing with people about what might or might not happen, and I'm not going to get into a panic reaction over any of it. There is a basic need on the ground to get food and provisions to people, I'm fit and healthy enough to help, so that's what I'll do.

**** knows what's going to happen to my business, as I think markets and events are pretty much finished for the next few months. I'm going to have to look into what financial support is available for self employed people, I think it's just basic Universal credit, so it's probs beans on toast for me for a while (if there are any baked beans left on the shelves)

I don't buy baked beans mate, so you can have my cans off the shelves

 

[PINKIE]

Hope you get by ok mate

Thanks mate. I don't need a lot to live on, I've carved out a life for myself down here that doesn't require big finance. Hopefully the banks and utilities will offer people some flexibility with their bills. But I'm pretty savvy when it comes to making the most of the little I've got.

Bigger issue atm is the vulnerable people around me, they are going to need all the support they can get. So I'll do what I can

 

[PINKIE]

I don't buy baked beans mate, so you can have my cans off the shelves

Thanks mate, that's very community spirited of you

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Anybody else hoping Piers Morgan gets a bad dose just so he can STFU for a few days?

 

[Chief]

This is a message from a GP mate of mine last Friday on what they have been told might happen;

"Swansea would need 12,000 ITU beds to cope at the peak. It hasn’t got 100.
Plan would be for no-one over 65 to be admitted to hospital as they wouldn’t have capacity to treat them anyway. They’d just be made comfortable and left at home.
Hopefully won’t be as bad as predicted."

5% of the whole population of the city.

Extrapolate that to 5% of the population of Britain!

Can't help thinking it's a mistake and they've added a zero! Hopefully.

This figure has been contradicted by another person in the medical profession who works at the main hospital, they reckon nowhere near that at current infection rates, if they stay as well managed as possible.

With figures like this in the public domain people will indeed panic. Especially in Britain.

 

[PINKIE]

This is a message from a GP mate of mine last Friday on what they have been told might happen;

"Swansea would need 12,000 ITU beds to cope at the peak. It hasn’t got 100.
Plan would be for no-one over 65 to be admitted to hospital as they wouldn’t have capacity to treat them anyway. They’d just be made comfortable and left at home.
Hopefully won’t be as bad as predicted."

5% of the whole population of the city.

Extrapolate that to 5% of the population of Britain!

Can't help thinking it's a mistake and they've added a zero! Hopefully.

This figure has been contradicted by another person in the medical profession who works at the main hospital, they reckon nowhere near that at current infection rates, if they stay as well managed as possible.

With figures like this in the public domain people will indeed panic. Especially in Britain.

That pretty much reflects what my GP friend spoke about with me earlier today.

Very sobering indeed.

 

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[jaffaSlot]

if they really do expect 70-80% of people to get this then we are ****ed. 1-2% at least die and a crap load severely ill or needing intensive care, which will run out quick, that percentage will only rise

 

[duggie2000]

I'd imagine if they eat the actually amount of pasta they've bought, they're going to be needing some laxatives. Could be a market for them in a few weeks

Thats when the toilet rolls will be useful
Forward planning

 

[Tel (they/them)]

5% seems a bit over the top, given it would be an average figure. I’d imagine it would be impossible to contain if 1/20 have contracted the virus.

I’d say 0.5% seems excessive as well tbh.

 

[Treble]

This is a message from a GP mate of mine last Friday on what they have been told might happen;

"Swansea would need 12,000 ITU beds to cope at the peak. It hasn’t got 100.
Plan would be for no-one over 65 to be admitted to hospital as they wouldn’t have capacity to treat them anyway. They’d just be made comfortable and left at home.
Hopefully won’t be as bad as predicted."

5% of the whole population of the city.

Extrapolate that to 5% of the population of Britain!

Can't help thinking it's a mistake and they've added a zero! Hopefully.

This figure has been contradicted by another person in the medical profession who works at the main hospital, they reckon nowhere near that at current infection rates, if they stay as well managed as possible.

With figures like this in the public domain people will indeed panic. Especially in Britain.

Why wouldn't they have capacity to treat someone over 65?

 

[PINKIE]

Why wouldn't they have capacity to treat someone over 65?

Sheer numbers mate. The NHS is looking at a scenario where it is totally overwhelmed.

 

[brb]

Why wouldn't they have capacity to treat someone over 65?

I'll give you reality mate....you go to hospital....you need a ventilator....the nurse or doctor has a choice who to give it to....a harsh and difficult choice....but that's reality and one I wouldn't want to have to make!

 

[Treble]

Sheer numbers mate. The NHS is looking at a scenario where it is totally overwhelmed.

Yeh I get that, but that sounds like they've written off the over 65's already.

Why not apply it to the young instead seeing as they're less likely to need the hospitals anyway.

 

[Treble]

I'll give you reality mate....you go to hospital....you need a ventilator....the nurse or doctor has a choice who to give it to....a harsh and difficult choice....but that's reality and one I wouldn't want to have to make!

But the choice shouldn't be made simply on age but where the need is greatest.

 

[brb]

Yeh I get that, but that sounds like they've written off the over 65's already.

Why not apply it to the young instead seeing as they're less likely to need the hospitals anyway.

That's life mate, always been the unwritten rule in life, mums and children first or in this case the young first.

 

[brb]

But the choice shouldn't be made simply on age but where the need is greatest.

They are not going to have time to analyse every patient. The hospitals are going to be overwhelmed to a level you can't even begin to imagine.

 

[Tobes]

if they really do expect 70-80% of people to get this then we are ****ed. 1-2% at least die and a crap load severely ill or needing intensive care, which will run out quick, that percentage will only rise

Those figures will be worst case scenario, which always has to be the starting point when drawing up a plan for how to manage something like this.

To mitigate the risk we need to follow the lead from the countries who’ve already seen the peak infection rate and are now on the downslope.

My concern as to how we’re approaching this here, is that the basic healthcare fundamentals of how to deal with something of this nature i.e. identifying all cases and dramatically restricting movement in affected areas. Seems to be taking a back seat to some behavioural science bunkum, that’ll be a non peer reviewed model, that hasn’t been shared.

We’ve now stopped testing people who present as potentially infected, which is utter madness imo. If you can’t identify where the cases are, you’re allowing it to spread unmonitored.

 

[PINKIE]

Yeh I get that, but that sounds like they've written off the over 65's already.

Why not apply it to the young instead seeing as they're less likely to need the hospitals anyway.

I don't think the young even come into the equation, unless they need hospitalisation due to other underlying health issues.

The figures seem to be based on an older demographic needing hospitalisation and who gets allocated the limited resouces.

As I mentioned earlier, the health care workers are facing some hideous decisions over the coming weeks and months.