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Suckmyklopp said:
Yeh thats all good, but you over simplified what teams need to do to beat us, weve played every kind of side this year, Norwich both games, Chelsea, sheff utd, wolves both games just off the top of my head are sides that came at us and tried to play football, weve also played the sit back sides like yourselves under moureen and Athletico recently.

Weve found a way to overcome all but watford and Athletico so far.

If you watched the game yesterday you wouldve seen us at our worst for near 2 years, totally **** all over the pitch, not one can hold their head up about yesterday's performance bar perhaps Allison.

Credit to Watford yesterday but they were fortunate to find us on a bad day all across the board.

That loss has been coming since the break, im just glad it was 3-0 rather than say 1-0 as i believe losing so convincingly will kick them up the arse as opposed to a slim loss where there may have been room for things like "we were unlucky" or had and "off day"

But yeah point is, if it was that simple to beat us many more teams wouldve done this year and last.
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As I have said you are the best team this season by far. You will punish most teams that attack you but if every team did rather than sit back, I think you would have lost more games. You would have also scored twice as many goals in the winning games. Football as a spectator sport would have been the winner.
 
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Josef Martinez of Atlanta has torn his ACL. Touch of the Harry's here. Their goals will dry up too!
 
The FA have released the details of their charge against Leeds keeper Kiko Casilla, who has been banned for 8 games.
They concluded that he called Charlton winger Jonathan Leko a "****ing ******" after a clash at a corner.
Leko's teammate Macauley Bonne also heard him say it. He denies even knowing the word at the time.

Interesting to see how Leeds respond to this. I'd want him out of my club, if it was us.
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
The FA have released the details of their charge against Leeds keeper Kiko Casilla, who has been banned for 8 games.
They concluded that he called Charlton winger Jonathan Leko a "****ing ******" after a clash at a corner.
Leko's teammate Macauley Bonne also heard him say it. He denies even knowing the word at the time.

Interesting to see how Leeds respond to this. I'd want him out of my club, if it was us.
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Alternatively, it could just be a great opportunity to create a t-shirt...<whistle>
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
The FA have released the details of their charge against Leeds keeper Kiko Casilla, who has been banned for 8 games.
They concluded that he called Charlton winger Jonathan Leko a "****ing ******" after a clash at a corner.
Leko's teammate Macauley Bonne also heard him say it. He denies even knowing the word at the time.

Interesting to see how Leeds respond to this. I'd want him out of my club, if it was us.
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Must've gone to the same school as Wayne Hennessey. He had no idea what a Nazi salute was until last August.
 
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Sticks and stones! I remember playing against an X Spurs Junior center half years ago when I was about 20. He gave me hell verbally all the match,when he wasn't having a go at the ref. I scored 5 goals against him that day and the only goal in the return the following week.
I'm sure all these pros are having a go against each other every match whether your black,white or purple. Ignore it and do your best to beat them on the field.
 
bigsmithy9 said:
Sticks and stones! I remember playing against an X Spurs Junior center half years ago when I was about 20. He gave me hell verbally all the match,when he wasn't having a go at the ref. I scored 5 goals against him that day and the only goal in the return the following week.
I'm sure all these pros are having a go against each other every match whether your black,white or purple. Ignore it and do your best to beat them on the field.
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There's a line and calling someone a ****ing ****** is way, way over it.
 
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Blame illiterat Americans for that .They've managed to mispronounce the word Negro. ….as they mispronounce many English words. Two countries separated by a common language. But you are right. Dumb thing to shout anyway.
What language does this Kiko speak?
 
bigsmithy9 said:
Blame illiterat Americans for that .They've managed to mispronounce the word Negro. ….as they mispronounce many English words. Two countries separated by a common language. But you are right. Dumb thing to shout anyway.
What language does this Kiko speak?
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You need to be a little more careful with what you write sometimes. Firstly, this is a Spanish player - your experiences with Americans has nothing to do with this. Secondly, the N word is a mispronunciation of nothing. It is a vile, demeaning slur that goes back to the Slave trade and people who use it know exactly what they are saying. It is never a slip of the tongue.
I give you the benefit of the doubt on issues due to your experience, and we all love to hear your stories about our beloved Spurs from days before we were fans, just asking you to be a little more sensitive to some of these issues that are deeply held. The correct response (if I may be so bold) to PNPs post was - yeah you're right, not that it is an American mispronunciation.
 
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bigsmithy9 said:
Blame illiterat Americans for that .They've managed to mispronounce the word Negro. ….as they mispronounce many English words. Two countries separated by a common language. But you are right. Dumb thing to shout anyway.
What language does this Kiko speak?
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I'm sorry, smithy, but this isn't the right take on an issue like this.

Under no circumstances is it acceptable for non-black people to use the 'N' word. The historical and racial meaning behind that word is horrific - and that's putting it mildly. It's not the same as someone calling you an 'Englishman' or a 'Yank' or 'Cracker' because that 'N' word was used to subjugate and dehumanise black people for many, many, many years. The fact it's still used now as a slur should tell you just how far we have to go in eradicating racism and bigotry from society.

And although black people may say the 'N' word, that is for them to decide, not for anyone else.

Kiko Casilla should be fired and shouldn't be allowed to play football again as far as I'm concerned.
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
I agree with most of what you've said here, but not this part.
I'm not black and I've used it in a couple of cases in the last couple of pages.
Context is extremely relevant.
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Each to their own, but I'm not comfortable with people who aren't black using it. I understand in certain situations it may be used e.g. in drama/plays, but if that's the case, I'd prefer that they check to see if other people who are black would be comfortable or if there's an alternative. Because I know many that wouldn't be ok with non-black people saying it, context or not.

If you were going to say what Casilla did out loud, would you actually use the word?
 
BrunelGooner said:
Each to their own, but I'm not comfortable with people who aren't black using it. I understand in certain situations it may be used e.g. in drama/plays, but if that's the case, I'd prefer that they check to see if other people who are black would be comfortable or if there's an alternative. Because I know many that wouldn't be ok with non-black people saying it, context or not.

If you were going to say what Casilla did out loud, would you actually use the word?
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If I was quoting him? Yes. It seems ridiculous to me that anyone would be offended by that.
Are there any other words that you can't say under any circumstances? Context is everything.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
If I was quoting him? Yes. It seems ridiculous to me that anyone would be offended by that.
Are there any other words that you can't say under any circumstances? Context is everything.
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I think it's a tricky one to navigate around. Not every black person feels the same, and I am sure there would be a diversity of opinion on the matter if you asked various different people. But ultimatley, my view is shaped on the black people I've known and surrounded myself with. So I know for sure that they wouldn't be ok with a non-black person saying it even if they were quoting.

I'm half-Pakistani, so if a friend or colleague was quoting an idiot calling someone else a 'Paki', I personally would have no issue with it. But I know plenty of others that would.

It's just worth being cautious about these things. In most cases, it's better to be safe than sorry.
 
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I agree with PNP context is everything, if we are to find ways to deal with racial abuse we have to talk about it and we can't be coy about explaining the issues. Directing such words AT people is the problem we need to solve and we need to be very clear what these words are. We can start that process by clearing defining the word as Spurs Disciple has started to do above. Teaching people what the word means and how it was used removes any excuse for it's use. For example using the word Nazi does not mean you support the ideas it stood for but unless we use it we cannot begin to understand what it was about. Racism is ignorance and you can only cure ignorance through education. Suppression solves nothing and provides the means for such behavior to grow secretly ready to re appear when standards fall.
 
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