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DMD said:
To be fair, she does add some caveats to that statement.

“We should have been bold enough to defend free movement, and the opportunities and benefits it brings. But this would have required recognising it has flaws, and not dismissing concerns as simply racist anti-immigrant sentiment.

“We should acknowledge that over decades Governments have used the steady influx of skilled labour to cover up a lack of investment in skills and training in the UK and address this.


“I believe in free movement. If it were paired with renewed and radical investment that enabled opportunities for young people, decent jobs, training and skills - then the same concerns would have fallen away.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/01/why-lisa-nandy-defending-free-movement
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We would still have needed to spend all our money on schools, hospitals, translators, and houses for these immigrants
 
petersaxton said:
We would still have needed to spend all our money on schools, hospitals, translators, and houses for these immigrants
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Yep, but there'd be less of them if the jobs they were coming here for didn't exist, as they'd been filled by better trained locals.
 
DMD said:
To be fair, she does add some caveats to that statement.

“We should have been bold enough to defend free movement, and the opportunities and benefits it brings. But this would have required recognising it has flaws, and not dismissing concerns as simply racist anti-immigrant sentiment.

“We should acknowledge that over decades Governments have used the steady influx of skilled labour to cover up a lack of investment in skills and training in the UK and address this.


“I believe in free movement. If it were paired with renewed and radical investment that enabled opportunities for young people, decent jobs, training and skills - then the same concerns would have fallen away.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/01/why-lisa-nandy-defending-free-movement
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investment in skills and training?
we should have schools that cater to pupils needs: whether they are musical, artistic, technical or academic as well as the basics required.
Labour want to get rid of Ofsted because left wing teachers don't like to be assessed.
Universities should stop providing silly courses to earn money which taxpayers have to pay for. The graduates look for a job and struggle to be employed by McDonalds.
There should be more real training undertaken rather than "training schemes" that only receive government and are not useful.
 
DMD said:
Yep, but there'd be less of them if the jobs they were coming here for didn't exist, as they'd been filled by better trained locals.
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They'd still come. Better to be unemployed here than in Eastern Europe because the benefits are better.
Why not ditch freedom of movement so we only let people come here if we need them?
 
petersaxton said:
They'd still come. Better to be unemployed here than in Eastern Europe because the benefits are better.
Why not ditch freedom of movement so we only let people come here if we need them?
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I suspect even Nandy would tackle that element.

She's one of the few on the left that has a reasonable handle on their failings.
 
DMD said:
I suspect even Nandy would tackle that element.

She's one of the few on the left that has a reasonable handle on their failings.
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It doesn't matter what she thinks. She has to do what the crazies want or she wont be leader. If she becomes leader it wont be for long until she advocates left wing policies.
 
petersaxton said:
It doesn't matter what she thinks. She has to do what the crazies want or she wont be leader. If she becomes leader it wont be for long until she advocates left wing policies.
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Possibly, but she's a long, long way off ever being in a position to do anything. The fact she's effectively backing immigration control, and pushing Brits into the lower end jobs that attract overseas applicants, means there's more chance of these measures coming in without too much screaching.
 
petersaxton said:
They'd still come. Better to be unemployed here than in Eastern Europe because the benefits are better.
Why not ditch freedom of movement so we only let people come here if we need them?
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You can't get benefits for two years numbnuts, who is going to come to the UK from Eastern Europe and sit on their arses for two years with no benefits?
 
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HRH Custard VC said:
They can claim some benefits (if working or self employed)
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So they have to work and like millions of others are propped up by the government because employers are allowed to pay ****e wages.

It isn't Petr or Sergi who work the gig economy that is impeding a fair crack of the whip for poor whitey.

And anyway, are you going to wash motors or pick fruit?
 
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Lisa Nandy comes across very well. Intelligent and down to earth with common sense usually.

Unlike Johnson, Corbyn and Sturgeon.
 
Ciaran said:
So they have to work and like millions of others are propped up by the government because employers are allowed to pay ****e wages.

It isn't Petr or Sergi who work the gig economy that is impeding a fair crack of the whip for poor whitey.

And anyway, are you going to wash motors or pick fruit?
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The fruit picking thing is a big red herring. Not that long ago, round here it all used to be done by us kids for a few quid. It used to be one of the few ways the London poor got fresh air.
 
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It seems to be settled that EU migrants to UK get benefits immediately they arrive.
Nobody has produced any evidence to the contrary.
 
DMD said:
The fruit picking thing is a big red herring. Not that long ago, round here it all used to be done by us kids for a few quid. It used to be one of the few ways the London poor got fresh air.
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Aye let's go back to the 50's everything was great, we will get the kids up Chimneys while we are at it.

Do you have kids? Would your kids pick fruit bj or wash motors for a living? Mine wouldn't in a million years
 
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So, now it's wrong for youngsters to pick fruit? If fruit picking has to be done by adults then UK benefit claimants can do it or their benefits should be stopped.
 
petersaxton said:
So, now it's wrong for youngsters to pick fruit? If fruit picking has to be done by adults then UK benefit claimants can do it or their benefits should be stopped.
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Most people on benefits already work or are incapable of doing so.
 
I did plenty of tattie picking and fruit picking when I was a wee boy.

Kids nowadays are bone ****ing idle and want to spend their whole time looking at a ****ing screen.

Time for compulsory conscription at the age of 8. Time they got off their ****ing arses.
 
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