The trouble is that there is absolutely no guarantee that one term will be all he gets. If Seamus Milne stays at Labour and RLB becomes leader this Cassandra ( who btw predicted the Labour haul of seats to an accuracy of 3!) predicts a further retrenchment of Labour in 2024.
I still hold by the "unelectable" if they choose RLB. My criticism of Pfeffel is over Brexit which is going to turn this country into a 19th century theme park
I love this thread. I would love to see a video of all the angry typing that is going on. It would be better than gogglebox.
-It was staggered by the magnitude of the Conservative result as I was convinced that the polls had under-represented the Labour vote. Time and time again since Thursday I am hearing people (including former Labour voters) state that they could not stand Corbyn. Listening to Radio 4 on Monday, a comment was made in an interview that the BBC had been biased against Corbyn which merely exacerbated the negative portrayal in the printed press. I think that not electing Corbyn is a national tragedy and the population has missed the boat in implementing some urgently needed and radical reforms. From the start, Kuenssberg has been very hostile towards Jeremy Corbyn and I just felt that the tone of the BBC was very much that Boris could not be trusted yet Labour had no credibility. In my opinion. the BBC has been a mouthpiece for "neo-liberals"for a long while yet the centrist ground held by the Lib Dems proved to be an absolute disaster. I have been staggered at how poorly they performed. It is very difficult for me to understand what has happened with the Labour vote. You would have had to have been ignorant not to have rooted for what was contained within the Labour manifesto. It was the best manifesto I can ever recall yet there was a perception that what was on offer was not credible. For many people, Corbyn was stupidly seen as being a terrorist sympathiser and anti-semantic yet no one ever commented why the Labour party had room for an organisation like "Labour Friends of Israel." For me, the anti-semantic criticism was a non-issue conjured up by a media desperate to discredit Corbyn's credentials and , for all the attention in the press, I have only heard one person say that this was an issue for them. Fellow Labour MP like Margaret Hodge should be kicked out of the party as they have contributed to this defeat with their constant harping. It disgusted me that she seemed to put her own interests before that of the country and she should be deselected as quickly as it possible. I see the problem being that the Brexit issue underlined problems with Nationalism that had not been helped by an intransigent EU that did not once consider what it needed to do to ensure that the British population's perception of it could be improved. For me, this issue was outside the control of Labour. Criticism of Jeremy Corbyn is totally unjust. He effectively gave the Labour Party it's soul back and rather than being vilified, this is a gentleman that should be applauded for what he was trying to do. During the campaign the most credible of all the politicians was John Mc Donnell yet no one seemed to listen to what he was saying. He was the voice of reason throughout the campaign. Once Brexit has been completed, I am in no doubt that the tide will rapidly turn against the Tories. The next election will yield a similar majority but this time for the Labour Party as people will experience the impact of Brexit and the constituencies in the North suffer the full blow. For this reason, I think the tack of the party should not be changed. Some of the proposed candidates like the obnoxious Thornberry and centrist Starmer are not the solution and I think that RLB is exactly the kind of tonic that is needed.
This is exactly the kind of comment I have heard in the last few weeks. It will be quite interesting if Scotland goes it's own way and to see how the Little Englanders then understand just how insignificant the country is. The popularity of Boris is difficult to understand and the practicalities of what he is looking to achieve are so unlikely that you question the sanity of anyone who did not scrutinise what he believes is possible.
Brexit will be fine! Trust Boris!! On second thoughts, he is about as trustworthy as a tiger not shutting its mouth when I have inserted my head between its gaping jaws.
I am similarly bewildered as to how BJ has got away with such a majority. A proven liar who can barely string a coherent sentence together, yet look at the coloured map of how the UK voted - swathes of blue across England, including long held Labour strongholds. And look at Scotland, a completely different hue. Times up, time for Scotland to be gone from this charade and leave it to those who voted tory. The tories, the house of lords, the royal family - I want nothing to do with any of them. For sure independence will be a bumpy ride - but at least the mistakes will be of our making, and not made by a shower of Hooray Henry`s like BJ, Rees-Mogg and the sneering Patel.
I don’t think brexit is funny. I do however find the same people moaning about the same thing for over 3 years very entertaining. St Jabbo has admitted it won’t effect him but spends his life on here moaning about it because it will effect his family. I am willing to bet money his family are not on a football forum moaning to strangers every day about something that is going to happen and there is nothing that can do about it. I reckon they are knuckling down and getting on with life like the majority of the population.
I wish you well. I have been against independence all my life, but it has become obvious that despite being the third-largest party in the HoC, the SNP have no voice in Little England’s Parliament. It will be good to have an EU nation with a land border with England, and interesting to see how the Spaffer waffles his way out of that one.
I’m knuckling down and getting on with my job and life as I always have done, yet I have the threat over my head that the next 12 months could lead to major upheaval with my job/career. I’m not happy at that prospect. I don’t think that’s funny. I’m knuckling down and complaining. It might just be that St J cares.
What makes the labour defeat even more remarkable is the number of votes they attracted. If memory serves me right they drew 12 million +, compared to 2017 it was 10m+, both under Corbyn. The previous three elections with Miliband, Brown and Blair drew fewer voters.
Like I’ve said before I don’t think brexit is a laughing matter. I also don’t believe it’s the end of the world like many in here do. In fact for some who have always lived in poverty it’s a new beginning and something to get enthusiastic over. All I find funny is the constant moaning from the key board warriors and I feel it’s my duty as an upstanding member of the public to respond to them.
Myself, StGodds and others and would dispute the stereotyping of the generation thing, see our posts on here. Plenty of us old farts have been revolting for years.
You don’t find anything ironic in that statement? It’s true that no one knows for certain what will happen in the next few months, but you can bet your life that most of the election promises will fall by the wayside, they have already started in fact. And those who have always lived in poverty won’t be first in the queue for the increasingly limited handouts, of that you can be sure. As for Brexit, I am torn between feeling sad and angry at the prospect, and curious to see what kind of trade deal, if any, the Spaffer manages to strike with the EU. I’m guessing we will see a lot of finger-pointing at the nasty Europeans for wanting to protect their internal markets from chlorinated chicken products, but we will see. Have a chuckle on me.
Yeah we're all foaming at the mouth rabid revolutionaries on here. With a few exceptions of course, those who feel supporting the tories and brexit is the way forward to the sunlit uplands of a brave new world.
Accusing others of being angry moaning keyboard warriors when you're filling that description perfectly is pretty ironic. As for spending my life on here pot, kettle and black. I certainly "knuckled down and got on with it". I care about my family and friends, pretty well all doing well for themselves in spite of rather than due to current government policy.
A new beginning and something to get enthusiastic about for some who have always lived in poverty? Explain
I do hope you are not suggesting that to be an upstanding member of the public you have to be a Tory and a Brexit voter, of which I am neither. Please explain what you mean. For me the three great achievements of the 20th century were the UN, NATO and the EU (I would add to that the BBC and the NHS). People are now in the process of threatening their very existence without saying what they will replace them with and what improvement that will bring. It is like someone saying we believe your house is not fit for purpose, even though you think it's fine, so we will bulldoze it down and you say but where will I live and all you receive in reply is well you should be pleased you will not have to live in it anymore. You scream but where will I live FFS and all you get back is a blank stare.
