Off Topic Politics Thread

[Beddy]

Gees You lot are hard to please...........Surely good news for those in work? Err............ they have to be doing more than so many hours a week for them not to be able to get benefits surely. One would have thought that would have had to be on guaranteed hours. Not that I know that much about these things!! It is my understanding that non guaranteed hours was being frowned upon by this government. Im sure you will tell me different though........

 

[StJabbo1]

Maybe Brexit is the answer to these problems as being in the EU seemed to cause most of them.

Edited for you as I'm sure you're having a larf.
Maybe being in the EU is the answer to these problems as Brexit seemed to cause most of them. I'll just add the unnecessary years of tory austerity starving the parts of society that can afford it the least.

 

[saintkitch]

Edited for you as I'm sure you're having a larf.
Maybe being in the EU is the answer to these problems as Brexit seemed to cause most of them. I'll just add the unnecessary years of tory austerity starving the parts of society that can afford it the least.

Yeah very true I did actually forget the world was all rainbows and unicorns pre 2016. Well if all comes to be that is being predicted in here then we won't have to worry for much longer as we will all be ****ed any way.

 

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I wonder what the post count will be like on this thread by the time the next election comes around?

 

[Beddy]

I wonder what the post count will be like on this thread by the time the next election comes around?

Bloody horrific!!!!!!!!!!

 

[StJabbo1]

Yeah very true I did actually forget the world was all rainbows and unicorns pre 2016. Well if all comes to be that is being predicted in here then we won't have to worry for much longer as we will all be ****ed any way.

Just to jog your memory. Rainbows and unicorns, sunlit uplands, advantageous trade deals, no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside and all those other promises came from the leave campaigners pre referendum when the country was already feeling the pinch of austerity and the decline in services it brought about. You may be ****ed we certainly aren't.

 

[San Tejón]

Gees You lot are hard to please...........Surely good news for those in work? Err............ they have to be doing more than so many hours a week for them not to be able to get benefits surely. One would have thought that would have had to be on guaranteed hours. Not that I know that much about these things!! It is my understanding that non guaranteed hours was being frowned upon by this government. Im sure you will tell me different though........

If you work just 1 hour a week you are classified as being employed. It really is that low, although it is said that zero hours contracts don’t unduly influence the overall figures.
Personally I think the employment figures should be split into full time, part time and zero hours to give an over view of the reality.
When I managed a newsagents, many moons ago, part time was considered fewer than 16 hours per week. Don’t know what it is now, if 1 hour means you are counted as employed. Good luck getting a mortgage or rental agreement on that.

 

[Beddy]

If you work just 1 hour a week you are classified as being employed. It really is that low, although it is said that zero hours contracts don’t unduly influence the overall figures.
Personally I think the employment figures should be split into full time, part time and zero hours to give an over view of the reality.
When I managed a newsagents, many moons ago, part time was considered fewer than 16 hours per week. Don’t know what it is now, if 1 hour means you are counted as employed. Good luck getting a mortgage or rental agreement on that.

Oh I agree about the mortgage etc.........To be honest my family and I have never to my knowledge had to rely on the dole or anything like that.........So my knowledge is limited. From what others have said though I thought you had to work over 16 hours........less than that you are considered unemployed?? Don't shout at me cos I'm wrong, if that be the case, as I say my personal knowledge is limited

 

[RSS]

I can tell you as a single person in full time employment it’s already almost impossible to get a mortgage down south unless you earn considerably more than the national average or have rich parents.

 

[Kaito]

Oh I agree about the mortgage etc.........To be honest my family and I have never to my knowledge had to rely on the dole or anything like that.........So my knowledge is limited. From what others have said though I thought you had to work over 16 hours........less than that you are considered unemployed?? Don't shout at me cos I'm wrong, if that be the case, as I say my personal knowledge is limited

That is no longer the case Beddy, but it might well have been quite a few years ago so it's understandable to think that. What St Badger wrote above is correct and it was done to artificially downgrade the unemployment figures.

If a person is 'employed' and still receiving benefits because the wage they earn is so low, that person is removed from the unemployment register. There are now many hundreds of thousands of people on top up benefits and still others who don't get benefits but are forced to use food banks because they are scraping along the breadline and can't feed their children properly on what they earn.

Employment should mean that a full time job is sufficient to provide an income which allows a person to maintain a reasonable standard of living, without that person needing to resort to additional benefits or a food bank. There are many jobs that do that but there are now an immense number of jobs that are so low paid that they should not be classed as employment. They should be classed as slavery, because that is exactly what they are.

 

[saintrichie123]

Oh I agree about the mortgage etc.........To be honest my family and I have never to my knowledge had to rely on the dole or anything like that.........So my knowledge is limited. From what others have said though I thought you had to work over 16 hours........less than that you are considered unemployed?? Don't shout at me cos I'm wrong, if that be the case, as I say my personal knowledge is limited

Kaitos post is bang on.

 

[saintkitch]

Just to jog your memory. Rainbows and unicorns, sunlit uplands, advantageous trade deals, no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside and all those other promises came from the leave campaigners pre referendum when the country was already feeling the pinch of austerity and the decline in services it brought about. You may be ****ed we certainly aren't.

Don't really get this bit. You and others are relentless in your whinging on here. I agree that having BJ in charge is absolutely ridiculous and is in no way a good thing for the country. I also agree that Brexit is pretty scary but guess what we are stuck with both and no amount of moaning on a football forum is going to change anything.

Hopefully Brexit will work and we will all be better off. Chances are this could take a long while but its not impossible. To moan like a cheap prostitute over something that we have no control over seems like a waste of oxygen to me and I'm guessing from the passion and relentlessness of moans on here that oxygen is a commodity that shouldn't be wasted.

Not just aimed at you StJabbo even though it was you I quoted.

 

[saintkitch]

That is no longer the case Beddy, but it might well have been quite a few years ago so it's understandable to think that. What St Badger wrote above is correct and it was done to artificially downgrade the unemployment figures.

If a person is 'employed' and still receiving benefits because the wage they earn is so low, that person is removed from the unemployment register. There are now many hundreds of thousands of people on top up benefits and still others who don't get benefits but are forced to use food banks because they are scraping along the breadline and can't feed their children properly on what they earn.

Employment should mean that a full time job is sufficient to provide an income which allows a person to maintain a reasonable standard of living, without that person needing to resort to additional benefits or a food bank. There are many jobs that do that but there are now an immense number of jobs that are so low paid that they should not be classed as employment. They should be classed as slavery, because that is exactly what they are.

This sounds fine in an ideal world. I know many people who abuse the benefits system as i am sure you all do. My next door neighbour is a single mum 4 kids, 4 different dads never worked in her life. She has a boyfirend who she has moved in. All the kids have mobile phones and never want for anything. This is the area the government needs to tighten up on, force people back to work rather than making it so easy for them.

 

[Beddy]

Kaitos post is bang on.

bloody hell thats got to be hard going how the hell can they justify that? When you say low paid do you mean below the minimum rate? Sorry if I’m ignorant on these things.

 

[St. Luigi Scrosoppi]

I whinge and moan like mad on here and get the frustration with my fellow countrymen and women out of my system such that when I meet people who claim to be Tory voters and/or Brexit voters I don't punch them hard on the nose for being so ****ing stupid.

This thread had better keep going for some while I think. Johnson has had his Cabinet chanting the NHS promises he made in the election campaign that were torn to shreds and proved to be untrue. Read it for yourself.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...net-meeting-ministers-hospitals-a9250011.html

 

[StJabbo1]

Don't really get this bit. You and others are relentless in your whinging on here. I agree that having BJ in charge is absolutely ridiculous and is in no way a good thing for the country. I also agree that Brexit is pretty scary but guess what we are stuck with both and no amount of moaning on a football forum is going to change anything.

Hopefully Brexit will work and we will all be better off. Chances are this could take a long while but its not impossible. To moan like a cheap prostitute over something that we have no control over seems like a waste of oxygen to me and I'm guessing from the passion and relentlessness of moans on here that oxygen is a commodity that shouldn't be wasted.

Not just aimed at you StJabbo even though it was you I quoted.

Gawd what a an gobfull! You've a cheek calling other's moans on here relentlessly and liken them cheap whores. You may have the experience to judge hookers price and quality I haven't. We're not ****ed because I'm retired overseas with pensions and investments exit proofed. Pity you poor ****ers who are ****ed.

 

[Beddy]

This sounds fine in an ideal world. I know many people who abuse the benefits system as i am sure you all do. My next door neighbour is a single mum 4 kids, 4 different dads never worked in her life. She has a boyfirend who she has moved in. All the kids have mobile phones and never want for anything. This is the area the government needs to tighten up on, force people back to work rather than making it so easy for them.

That was partly my meaning in another thread sadly the minority used to describe all the unfortunate people struggling. The trouble as I have seen in the past is when the authorities have not done their job correctly they have accused someone of abusing the system. Where as with a little more investigation which I am sure you and I would have done it would have proved differently. I am reasonably sure it was an isolated incident but the fallout from that is still going on months later for the family concerned. The whole thing can be a vicious circle unfortunately.

 

[saintrichie123]

bloody hell thats got to be hard going how the hell can they justify that? When you say low paid do you mean below the minimum rate? Sorry if I’m ignorant on these things.

Minimum rate depends on someone's age....for over 25s it's £8.21(rising to £9 from next April) ......and yes as Kaito said top up credits are used to top up......and then regardless of hours worked they are deemed employed.

 

[StJabbo1]

That was partly my meaning in another thread sadly the minority used to describe all the unfortunate people struggling. The trouble as I have seen in the past is when the authorities have not done their job correctly they have accused someone of abusing the system. Where as with a little more investigation which I am sure you and I would have done it would have proved differently. I am reasonably sure it was an isolated incident but the fallout from that is still going on months later for the family concerned. The whole thing can be a vicious circle unfortunately.

A properly funded social security program would have sufficient resources to identify abusers. Small beer they will be compared with the corporate billions gone with the wind.

 

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Just to jog your memory. Rainbows and unicorns, sunlit uplands, advantageous trade deals, no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside and all those other promises came from the leave campaigners pre referendum when the country was already feeling the pinch of austerity and the decline in services it brought about. You may be ****ed we certainly aren't.

Perhaps the greatest sin of this last 40 years is the promotion of landlords and multiple ownership versus a decent rental system. In Europe rents are kept low and this deters unscrupulous types exploiting the system...

I responded to the wrong comment...