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It would have helped, but it’s also somewhat historical revision.

I pointed out pretty early on that Corbyn was being extremely wish washy. To which the overwhelming response was that Corbyn would eventually go Remain if it came down to it, and had stated so, or at least was clearly better than Brexit, so what was I talking about?

I also said that it was not clear at all the Remain was the majority, but people were insistent that things had changed after the last Brexit vote and the youth would show up this time, etc. It wasn’t until very near the election when things were starting to go bad that everyone started blaming Corbyn.

Anyway, the point is not the accuracy of people’s predictions but the sentiment behind them. I feel like Labour actually won the areas and the voters that were strongly pro-remain. They felt strongly enough about the issue to vote Labour despite any reservations about Corbyn.

It wasn’t the press. It wasn’t Corbyn running a bad campaign or being weak in some way. Look at the embarrassment he lost to. Why did Corbyn have to pitch a perfect game and his opponent barely even have to show up?

Johnson won for the same reasons Trump won. What’s happening in both countries is eerily similar. And you can look at movements in other countries as well. It boils down to there’s a white racism.

This **** has nothing to do with the EU. No one was fooled by Johnson. They know he’s a dick, it’s why they vote for him. It’s all about keeping dark-skinned people out of the country. The Brexit election was really a poll on racism, pro-racism won.

Watch how fast Johnson kneels to Trump and Putin. He has no choice now, really. “British Identity” is really “White Identity.” That is what we are all up against. I think we need to face that reality instead of blaming the press or politicians or whoever. The people you think of as your countrymen and neighbors are hateful dickbags who don’t think the same of you.

An element of truth in that, certainly. But nah, my countrymen and neighbours are not, by and large, hateful dickbags.

Brexit has certainly empowered some very unpleasant elements; but I’m not surrounded by white supremacists, and I don’t think there are many of them in Parliament either.
 
You can probably add Australia to that assessment. The English speaking world seems to be in thrall to something ugly right now. Maybe Canada is the exception.

I’m hoping Johnson will dial down the anti migrant undertones now he’s got his majority, but I’m not holding my breath.
New Zealand is another exception. If I was a senior member of the Labour party, I would try to entice the present PM there to come to the UK once she has run her course in NZ to become leader of the UK party and ultimately UK PM!
 
The more I think about that the more I think Jess Phillips is the one we need.
I don't know much about him (should have researched a bit before posting) but Jarvis presents a decent profile and the type of image which, regrettably, is essential in modern politics.
 
New Zealand is another exception. If I was a senior member of the Labour party, I would try to entice the present PM there to come to the UK once she has run her course in NZ to become leader of the UK party and ultimately UK PM!

Makes a change from you finding Spanish politicians
 
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Corbyn is right about one thing; the Labour Party needs a period of reflection before rushing to choose a new leader. We have to get this next appointment right, so my advice to anyone jostling for position, or claiming to know exactly what went wrong and what needs to be done to put it right, is, for now, stfu and sit down.
 
I had thought that the threat of a no deal brexit was still looming for the end of next year. I hadn’t realised that I had the deadline wrong and that the UK needs to decide by the end of June whether to extend the period of transition to get those deals in place. Johnson won’t do that, so in fact we have less than 5 months to get this sorted.

Fecking hell
 
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An element of truth in that, certainly. But nah, my countrymen and neighbours are not, by and large, hateful dickbags.

Brexit has certainly empowered some very unpleasant elements; but I’m not surrounded by white supremacists, and I don’t think there are many of them in Parliament either.

And that’s honestly the real reason Labour keeps losing.

There’s an attitude that somehow people have just been duped into voting for some horrible people and all that is required is to talk some sense into them.

It’s strategically disastrous as it underestimates the opposition. And politically foolish as well as these people are screaming as loud as they can how serious they are about this and it’s very patronizing to be told they are just ping through a silly phase.
 
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I had thought that the threat of a no deal brexit was still looming for the end of next year. I hadn’t realised that I had the deadline wrong and that the UK needs to decide by the end of June whether to extend the period of transition to get those deals in place. Johnson won’t do that, so in fact we have less than 5 months to get this sorted.

Fecking hell

And there are idiots Out there who want that :(
 
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Gove looking like a flummoxed codfish on the BBC and saying they won't extend the deadline for Brexit. Make no mistake this is for EU consumption. They really think that it will get them a better deal but I doubt it will work. My feelings now are that I hope that they push on regardless and own the disaster that is Brexit.
 
You can probably add Australia to that assessment. The English speaking world seems to be in thrall to something ugly right now. Maybe Canada is the exception.

I’m hoping Johnson will dial down the anti migrant undertones now he’s got his majority, but I’m not holding my breath.

We certainly aren't immune, but right now regional divides are still winning out over demographic cleavages, and we might have a bit of an ingrained advantage...whereas in the US and UK, appealing to the worst of the white working class has a structural electoral advantage, in Canada it's very hard to take an election without i) the major city suburbs, which aren't particularly white, or ii) Quebec, and while Quebec has a serious undercurrent of xenophobic ethnonationalism going on, they currently hate the Anglo xenophobic ethnonationalists almost as much as they do the foreigners. It's definitely bubbling under the surface, though; our Conservative Party came within a hair's breadth (or a misunderstanding of their own rules, depending on who you ask) from selecting as leader someone who then quit the party to be the Canadian Nigel Farage, only somehow less competent.

And while Ides is borrowing foreign politicians, Chrystia Freeland would make a good Labour leader. She probably ought to be our PM -- Trudeau's decent enough, she's significantly savvier -- but we could loan her out come the next UK election.
 
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Gove looking like a flummoxed codfish on the BBC and saying they won't extend the deadline for Brexit. Make no mistake this is for EU consumption. They really think that it will get them a better deal but I doubt it will work. My feelings now are that I hope that they push on regardless and own the disaster that is Brexit.


They're going to have to own it eventually. Brexit is the Conservative party's gift to the nation. There really isn't anyone else they can blame when their bunch of roses turns out to be a bucket of ****.
 
Gove looking like a flummoxed codfish on the BBC and saying they won't extend the deadline for Brexit. Make no mistake this is for EU consumption. They really think that it will get them a better deal but I doubt it will work. My feelings now are that I hope that they push on regardless and own the disaster that is Brexit.

Sadly, it is “us” who will own that disaster