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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    No one with her record of gaffes would survive at that level in the Party without favour...
     
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  2. ELLERS

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    I don’t bother talking about Labour and their Jew problem because too many don’t believe it. Even when you show them video evidence they deny it and say the Tories have a problem with Islamophobia.
     
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  3. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Is this old news? Have I had my head in the sand too long not to have known this?
     
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    I cannot wait for the election to be finished. And after the public "Should (I) we stay or should (I) we go (apologies to any Clash (One of the Greatest bands ever) fan - I type this and hang my head in shame) that the party elected does what it says on the tin and carries out the decision the public voted for on the evidence submitted made in 2016. And then get on with something else like follow what your public voted you in for without bankrupting the country or leaving it in a worse state than what you inherited
     
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  5. kiwiqpr

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    Britain has 'by far the highest rate of returning jihadi fighters in Europe'

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    Britain has prosecuted only a tiny proportion of returning Isil fighters and so-called jihadi brides Credit: Reuters/Reuters
    Britain has by far the highest rate of “exceptionally dangerous” returning jihadis in Europe, police chiefs have warned.
    A report from Europol revealed that of hundreds of Britons who travelled to Syria and Iraq amid the rise of Isil, nearly half have been able to return safely.
    It comes amid widespread concern at the low number of returning fighters and so-called jihadi brides successfully prosecuted in British courts.
    According to the annual Europol report, roughly 45% of Britons who travelled to Syria and Iraq have already come back to their home country.

    The country with the next highest proportion was Germany, where 33% have returned, while in the Netherlands and Spain the return rate is thought to be just 18%.
    The report warned that returning jihadis and their supporters pose a serious ongoing threat to national security.
    “Those that have returned garner kudos with like-minded individuals,” it said.
    “Their training and experience – such as handling weapons and explosives – makes them exceptionally dangerous.
    “Furthermore, EU Member States’ ongoing concern is that these individuals can perpetuate and strengthen their networks both nationally and internationally.”
    Out of around 400 jihadists who have returned to the UK, just 40 have been prosecuted. Most have been placed in rehabilitation schemes instead.
    Earlier this year the Telegraph revealed that the Home Office is paying a leading mental health clinic to treat returning jihadists and their children.

    And in 2017, the Government’s terrorism laws watchdog, Max Hill QC, suggested returning jihadis should be reintegrated rather than automatically prosecuted because they were simply “naive”.
    Overall, the report found that thirteen people were killed and 46 injured in attacks by jihadis
    across Europe in 2018. The figures were the lowest by far since 2014, when Isil swept into control of a third of Iraq and Syria and launched a campaign of mass casualty attacks in Europe.
    "Europol's report underlines that terrorism still poses a real and present danger to the EU," Europe's Security Commissioner Julien King said in a statement.
    "The enduring threat posed by Islamist groups along with the rise of far right-wing extremist violence, clearly shows that there is still much to be done – notably in tackling the scourge of terrorist content online."
     
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  6. Uber_Hoop

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    Stupid bitch tried to bluff her way through and failed miserably. Many lefties in here throw their hands in the air in outrage about Tory lies, but just look at this thick woman too. At least the Tories seem to have read stuff then lied about it. Abbott seems to be wandering aimlessly through the LaLa Land of her confused mind, then intermittently connecting with the sentient world and trying to pretend she’s part of it. Instead of accepting she’s a liability there’s many that infer racism is behind our attacks on her.
     
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    I remember watching her at the despatch box in the house. It was like listening to a 10 year old with learning difficulties. How anyone would vote for a party with her in such a high position is beyond me!
     
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    Dammit, he's found my Achille's heal. I'm switching sides.
     
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  10. Uber_Hoop

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    I have to say that Johnson is going to **** it up if he's not too careful. Avoiding Andrew Neil, trying to make political capital out of the latest London Bridge incident, the stupidity over the 'new' nurses (although I heard an independent fact-checker guy on the wireless the other evening explain just why the logic is sound, but the message isn't) and other things. I thought he'd done his homework with Marr, but he needs to hunker down and appear more statesmanlike in the final run-in. Keep to the policy messages: more on what his government would do and less on trying to rubbish the opposition. I don't think the undecideds like that sort of thing that much,
     
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    Good post, Uber. I agree. Most of the bad stuff about Boris is out there, so Neil can only recycle it and deliver it in a threatening Scottish accent. Too many "clever" games being played by the Tories, and it pisses voters off.
     
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  12. Stroller

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    Keep to the policy messages - vote for us and we'll put right all the things we've ****ed up in the last nine years.

    Johnson is an electoral liability and the Tories know it. Every time he appears on TV or radio he comes across as a bumbling fool, and every time he appear in public he gets booed.
     
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    No he isn't, and he doesn't, Strolls, you're getting carried away. Corbyn is a far greater liability for Labour.

    Boris has been doing well in the polls, but he can't start playing fast and loose and not expect to lose votes. He needs to learn lessons from mistakes that Theresa May made. I hope his advisors, all of them not just Cummings, are up to it
     
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    This tweet from David Merritt, one of the victim's father, sums up very well just what the Tory party of today is about:

    Don’t use my son’s death, and his and his colleague’s photos - to promote your vile propaganda. Jack stood against everything you stand for - hatred, division, ignorance. https://twitter.com/DMReporter/status/1201286283605291013 …
     
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  15. Uber_Hoop

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    Whist this is undeniably written whilst heavily grieving, it’s unfair to say Johnson ‘stands’ for these things.
     
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    Turkish" Premier" Hoops Well-Known Member

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    Stroller why are you again blaming the Tories alone for the last nine years of austerity and cuts, I understand the blind devotion to Liebour, but continually blaming the Tories for things initiated, caused and brought about by Liebours policies whilst in office prior to this current government really is just downright daft.
    Remember it was Liebour who left the note in the chancellors office saying
    “Good luck there’s no money left”
    Yes I understand it’s been hard for most people all round myself included but I at least comprehend that continually throwing money at a problem will not solve it ( just look at Tony and QPR ) Yes we had the promised land but we blew it, now ( much like our beloved football club ) we are in a period of cutbacks and stringent budgeting to get back on track.
    I find it quite amusing that people accept austerity when it means the survival of our QPR,but the same people find it abhorrent when it could mean the survival of our economy and country, actually I find it quite bizarre.
     
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    I just think this man is sad that his son, clearly a decent bloke, placed such faith in the goodness of all human beings, without reservation, and that faith proved to be unjustified and led to his murder.

    There has to be a balance struck between doing good from the bottom of your heart, and realism
     
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    Diane Abbott‏Verified account@HackneyAbbott 20h20 hours ago
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    “The “lock ’em up & throw away the key” battle cry may suit a panicked politician in the middle of a general election campaign, but it isn’t going to keep us safe from another Usman Khan

    but it would have kept the public safe FROM usman khan
     
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  19. Stroller

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    Johnson was doing well in the polls when could get away with just repeating GET BREXIT DONE at every opportunity, but when he's put under any serious scrutiny he falls apart. That's why his advisors want him to do as little TV and radio as possible. They'd lock him away with Rees-Mogg if they could.

    Corbyn is also a liability, but mainly because of the effects of the continuous onslaught against him in the the right wing press. His ratings improve during elections when the broadcast media have to give him a fair crack.
     
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    Three words - Global Financial Crisis.
     
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