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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    Unless they agree something
     
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  2. ELLERS

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    it's not a good deal. The only reason Tories voted for it was because they may have lost Brexit if they didn't. Now it's a different story.
     
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    This is politics at its most interesting!
     
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    That speech is the closest thing to losing Brexit. A do or die speech
     
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    Only making plans for Nigel, I'd be wary of flying anywhere if I were him... <laugh>
     
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    Heads or tails. <yikes>
     
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    He's already done a do or die, shockingly he's tried to sweep that under the carpet as he couldn't deliver or adhere to parliamentary process
     
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    A whole lot of hyperbole in the Reuters article and a whole lot of projection in the Marxist.com (really?) piece.

    Some renationalisation of natural monopolies and some rebalancing of the tax system is all we're talking about.

    These policies are popular, Goldie. Nothing to be scared of.
     
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    Nice touch, the Brexit Party are serving continental breakfast to the journos. You couldn't make it up...
     
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    It's an excellent deal, are you telling me you think Boris is misleading people :1980_boogie_down:
     
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    mmm that throws a spanner in the works. My only worry was something like this. Hopefully its just a load of hot air and a deal will be sorted.
    Saying all this Nigel was spot on in his speech. He didn't knock Limps (only labour a bit), most attack was on Tories. Came across statesman like. Boris won't change his deal, never.
     
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    This is not Marxism Goldie - it is simply a return to the kind of Keynesian mixed economy of the 1960s. State ownership of the means of production is only justified within Marxist theory if it is a transitory phase towards either direct worker ownership, or ownership by the Commune - hence the word Communism as opposed to Statism. Nationalization is not an end in itself. Western socialism has always been about harnessing Capitalism for the public good, and the present Labour Party falls into that tradition - real Marxism looks different.
     
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    You show me one post where I said it was a good deal? Better than mays but clause 17 has always been a problem. Just because Boris says it's good doesn't mean it is. Its like Corbyn say he doesn't have a problem with jews when we all know he does.
     
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    Do you not reckon Boris will change it? Genuine question ellers. I wouldnt put anything past him
     
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    I think you misunderstand, Boris says it is an excellent deal. You don't think it's good so would you agree or disagree that Boris is misleading people or that you're wrong. Also can you post some relevant quotes from Corbyn strictly stating that he has a problem with Jews.
     
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    Never in a million years. How can he after spending all that time getting it.... boasting about it, then saying it's crap i'm dropping it.
    That speech is a massive kick in the nuts for Boris and the Tories.
     
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    The right wing media has done a job on you, Corbyn has an issue about Palestine, if you think what's going on there is ok ... well wow
     
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    I could post some quotes from Boris on how he describes burka wearing muslim women or black people. Cant find any quotes from Corbyn about the jews. To be honest I dont have a problem with what Boris said and nor do I have a problem with what Corbyn has never said.
     
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    He wants Brexit done so will do what he can to achieve this.
    point 2 on Jezza and Jews.
    Has Harvey Weinstein ever said he abused women? Just because Jezza hasn't said he has a problem doesn't mean he hasn't. It doesn't always come from the horses mouth. No smoke without fire. When distinguished Labour MP's leave because they say he has a problem and the Jewish council stop the funding and an inside investigation on TV says it's rife.... You have to put 2 and 2 together sometimes (unless you are Diane Abbott).
     
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