When a new party gets elected into Downing Street do the losers question that result, everyone had a democratic vote on leave or remain. It’s not the best out of 3.
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I agree with all that. You can Facebook the guy, he's got an open account, John Robertson, he's called.
He's currently tearing South Tyneside council to bits over their spending and irregularities he is uncovering. He plays everything out on social media so everybody is seeing the corruption that is going on within.
Whilst I agree with your general points, I think you're being quite glib with your comments on the leave campaign which is exactly where the remain campaign went wrong.
The idea that everyone who voted leave wanted to "get rid of foreigners" was misguided and the "take back control" mantra has swung into some weird nationalist agenda perpetuated by both sides.
The leave campaign was built on lies by opportunistic, self centred ****s. But the remain campaign and subsequent commentary from remain campaigners has been far worse in my opinion.
Many people voted leave for a variety of reasons (misguided or not). The remain campaign smeared leavers as racists, ignorant or thick. The "educated" remainers didn't seem to grasp that belittling people was never going to convince people to their side of the argument.
From my perspective, I know for certain that people are more informed than they were 3 years ago and some have changed their mind as a result.
I genuinely don't see the problem in taking a deal back to the people and just checking that it really is still what we want.
I don't want this to come across as sarcy. What areas do you think that the EU harms the UK and in what way? Cheers.
Somebodys pinched my sombrero
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The foreign rabble? Why do you remainers turn this into race? I haven’t got a racist bone in me. Im a proud Englishman. We have the fifth biggest economy in the world. We can stand alone. Germany have gone into recession because they’re scared witless if we leave. After Germany, we are the biggest contributors to the EU. When we do leave, Germany will clamour to be next, France soon after.
If some of the lazy bastards who opposed leaving had bothered their arses to vote, we wouldn’t be here. It’s democracy. Accept it.
Freedom of movement. It has always been an irresponsible thing to put upon us. Nobody should have ever agreed to allowing foreign citizens to just waltz into their country unchecked because they flash a passport with the EU flag on it.
I have a good friend who had his own successful plastering business. He was a man in demand and would often turn work away he was so far booked ahead. Then he started being quoted out of jobs as he just couldn't do the jobs for the prices that the EU workers were quoting. He works in a factory now.
It's added to the strain on housing, education and the health service. It's also allowed criminals to come over and bring with them their criminality. Cashpoints being cloned these days? Thank the Romanians.
I ASSUME that the Brexit Part will be putting up local candidates.
Given the reluctance of the majority in the area to vote conservative under almost any circumstances, it would be sensible if the local Tories declined to put up a candidate on this occasion.
After all they would be unlikely to win and their Party view is to leave.
This would give our three local incumbents something to think about.
If it wasn't so important it might even be worth it, getting these three out just to show who is in charge.
Those three.
Or the majority of the electorate.
I will vote Brexit because I want out.
No point in restating my reasons but they remain as valid for me as they were at the time of the referendum.
I don't rubbish those who voted to remain as I credit them with having considered opinions too.
I just don't agree with them.
Given the reluctance of the majority in the area to vote conservative under almost any circumstances, it would be sensible if the local Tories declined to put up a candidate on this occasion.
After all they would be unlikely to win and their Party view is to leave.
This would give our three local incumbents something to think about.
If it wasn't so important it might even be worth it, getting these three out just to show who is in charge.
Those three.
Or the majority of the electorate.
I will vote Brexit because I want out.
No point in restating my reasons but they remain as valid for me as they were at the time of the referendum.
I don't rubbish those who voted to remain as I credit them with having considered opinions too.
I just don't agree with them.
So you have a choice between someone who will intentionally ruin the country to further his political career or someone who will accidentally do so due to dodgy policies. Nobody out of the current lot is worth voting for.
The trouble with using the 'immigration argument' is that it's very much a two edged sword.
Take your plasterer friend for example.
It doesn't seem long ago that you couldn't get a plasterer for months and you needed that long to save up to pay what they were charging.
Supply and demand.
Same with plumber in many parts of the country I believe.
And of course the building trades seem to bounce between surplus and shortages of labour with monotonous regularity.
Only a few nights ago I watched a programme where Transport Managers were lamenting the departure of European lorry drivers back to their home countries, based on the uncertainties of what MIGHT happen, come Brexit.
(Oddly these transport managers seemed to feel they would need more drivers AFTER Brexit).
Then consider the effect on the countryside where 'temporary workers' are need on a seasonal basis.
At one time the locals looked on these jobs as welcome pin money.
No longer it seems.
The gap has been fill by a willing European workforce but one which is already being scared off.
Put bluntly WE NEED SOME EUROPEAN (and none European), WORKERS.
But once out, it's going to be The UK that sets the rules for the terms we allow them in.
Once again, supply and demand will determine how many and with what skills.
WE, that is the UK Government will also have the right to decide who can be sent back.
I don't think many, apart from the out and out racists, believe that leaving will close our borders to people wanting to come to the UK to live and work. The only proviso will be that their skills will be needed .
But the control, as in so many other fields, will be under the UK Government and not the 'Brussels Bureaucrats'
I may have a low opinion of most of our politicians but I know that if they upset us too much, we can change them at the ballot box in due course.
We have no such recourse with the 'Brussels Bureaucrats', another good reason to leave.
He’s gave you the reasons you asked for, I don’t think anyone should be asking for his personal feelings on why
For my twopenn’th - born & bred S/land lad with a dad that worked both in the shipyards & the pit (Vane Tempest). I am through & through Socialist and if I was a believer I would say Christian Socialist.
Brought up in Pennywell with a (large) flock of siblings. Never the less managed to get a good education ( university) now live abroad and have a great standard of living. But I cannot forget my roots.
All ALL our current laws that protect the working man come from Europe. Boris Trump will ditch them all.
We will go back to the days of waiting outside of the workplace gates begging for A DAYS WORK. we already have zero hours contracts - bloody hell l really really can’t understand a working person earning less than 50/60 thousand voting Tory never mind Farage the fascist (fooking hell why did so many good men die fighting Hitler only for their children/grandchildren to piss on their graves and vote Farage.
Rant over - it’s time for some good caring party to try their luck. Not saying they are perfect by any means. But can’t vote for an inveterate liar and woman mistreater such as Boris Trump.
K. T. F.
Brought up in Pennywell with a (large) flock of siblings. Never the less managed to get a good education ( university) now live abroad and have a great standard of living. But I cannot forget my roots.
All ALL our current laws that protect the working man come from Europe. Boris Trump will ditch them all.
We will go back to the days of waiting outside of the workplace gates begging for A DAYS WORK. we already have zero hours contracts - bloody hell l really really can’t understand a working person earning less than 50/60 thousand voting Tory never mind Farage the fascist (fooking hell why did so many good men die fighting Hitler only for their children/grandchildren to piss on their graves and vote Farage.
Rant over - it’s time for some good caring party to try their luck. Not saying they are perfect by any means. But can’t vote for an inveterate liar and woman mistreater such as Boris Trump.
K. T. F.
I am what you would call a floating voter and have changed my mind a few times over the years. I also voted to remain. I believe we need a majority government to go forward. I cannot bring myself to vote for Labour and their policies. I don't believe they represent the WORKING MAN/WOMEN any more. We also need to give the people what they voted for and see what happens. This time I will vote for the Tories.
I've just read through three pages of civil, interesting & informed debate here - a far cry from those tossers in Parliament.
Agree with Noggie above. I can't vote as I've lived out of the country for over 15 years, but I clicked on Labour in the poll, as I would definitely vote Labour.
I would have voted Remain too, albeit with clenched teeth as I agree with a lot of the criticisms of the EU, just I couldn't be on the same side as Farage and the mad wing of the Tory Party.
Agree with Noggie above. I can't vote as I've lived out of the country for over 15 years, but I clicked on Labour in the poll, as I would definitely vote Labour.
I would have voted Remain too, albeit with clenched teeth as I agree with a lot of the criticisms of the EU, just I couldn't be on the same side as Farage and the mad wing of the Tory Party.
Much as I agree with what you say, this particular General Election will, in many places, be treated like 'The Peoples Vote' some MP's have been asking for.
In effect another referendum.
And had you said to ME when the last referendum was held that I would be voting for Farage in the future I confess that I'd have thought you to be nuts.
But general election or not this looks like a one issue event.
And I'll vote for what's most likely to get Brexit DONE.
Once it's over the reason for Farage's party will be none existent and they can all disappear back into the woodwork.
Incidentally, those good people fighting Hitler you referred to were doing so to avoid being ruled by Germany.
Their own fathers had done the same 30 years earlier and go back a few more generations to find the ones fighting against French domination.
Funny how history keeps repeating itself!!
1) Is that Gilesgate? I had a shop at one point at the Vane Tempest Hall.
2) Can you show that to be fact or is it just your opinion thrown out there?
3) You say that like it's a bad thing. Do you know that the majority of people on zero hour contracts are happy with them because of the flexibility it brings to them?
4) That's a low blow to put on people. So many good men died so people could have their freedoms to vote in whichever way they feel. A freedom it looks like you don't believe in.
Edward Malcom, bought some land adjacent to his home for £630. His brother, Ian Malcolm, is the Labour lovey head of South Tyneside Council.
A notice never went in the Gazette to give folk the chance to oppose it, or to bid higher. It's a ridiculous price.
This is just one of the many examples that the Independents are exposing South Tyneside Council for. They've been slapping each other on the back for years and it's all unravelling now. The first local poll has Independent beating Labour in Jarrow.
A notice never went in the Gazette to give folk the chance to oppose it, or to bid higher. It's a ridiculous price.
This is just one of the many examples that the Independents are exposing South Tyneside Council for. They've been slapping each other on the back for years and it's all unravelling now. The first local poll has Independent beating Labour in Jarrow.
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The independents are taking over south Tyneside mate. I was going to run in Primrose but haven’t been able to find the time to make a start nor be able to campaign going forward. Labour are dead round there.
