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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    So basically you went around the houses.... I looked it up and it says

    All German citizens over the age of 18 are allowed to vote (Art. 38, para. 2 of the Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany), as long as they have lived in Germany for at least a three-month continuous period that was within 25 years of the election.
    If you are not a citizen (I.e UK national working there paying taxes and all that you cant vote)

    So you think some 16 year old bod from Poland or France should be able to come and work here and decide on our future through a vote?
    Deluded.
     
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  2. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Stroller it won't get through.
    1. Lindsey has to choose the amendments. Normally under parlimentary stuff a simple bill wouldn't have such detailed amendments. It takes months of debate. All commentators say he won't choose them. Especially as he loves the ERG. :emoticon-0100-smile ( that is a joke).
    2. if he does then the house votes on it and its not guaranteed to pass.
    3. If it does pass the Tories will pull it.
     
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  3. Steelmonkey

    Steelmonkey Well-Known Member

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    EU citizens, and 16-17 year olds get to vote in our local elections, and the Holyrood elections, and also were eligible to vote in the Independance referendum in 2014.
     
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  4. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    I simply gave a complete answer to your question - if you think it was 'going around the houses' then that's your thing. I have already said that I would be in favour of opening the vote for EU citizens subject to some conditions, such as length of residence and proof of linguistic ability. If you're not prepared to give citizen's rights to people then don't take their taxes - simple as that.
     
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  5. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Okay forget what I said about the speakers assistant. I must have misheard what they said because they have just confirmed it on TV now.
     
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  6. ELLERS

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    I have no problem with British Citizens voting but I would not want non citizens having a vote. It a ridiculous thing. Why would I want some bod coming here for 3 months, voting, leaving and never come back to change something that would affect some poor sod that lives here? Ain't gonna happen. This whole !6-17Yrs-EU votes is just an opportunistic thing.
    I tell you what, once the Tories get in with a majority a few laws will be changed (that's a fact).
     
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    I see Commonwealth citizens residing in the UK can vote in UK general elections where as EU (except Ireland) can't. Should somebody from Malawi or Pakistan or wherever get a vote over a Pole or Portuguese for example?

    Irish and British citizens can vote in all elections if they reside in the other country.
     
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  8. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    You will all like this one have a look. <laugh>
     
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  9. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    As far as I understand it Irish citizens can vote in the UK. and the same is true the other way around - so there is a precedent for this. Try to read texts a little more carefully - I was not suggesting that someone should be able to come, vote, and go. I said 'under certain conditions' which could include up to a 5 year residence period.
     
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  10. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    To vote in a General Election you must: ... be 18 or over on the day of the election('polling day') be a British, Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen. be resident at an address in the UK (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years).

    15 years
    Thats not the same as John Paul From Paris coming over here for 3 months and being able to vote.
     
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  11. bobmid

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    I dont think you have read properly what cologne wrote cerny. Try again.
     
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  12. ELLERS

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    bloody hell watching Sky News and that Meg Russel looks like Alan Rickman"s character in Harry Potter!
    Also how come Sky are letting those freaks with banners saying "Get ready for medicine shortages" get into camera shot. The presenter has even moved so it can be clearly seen.

    please log in to view this image
     
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    And that's not what is being proposed, stop over simplifying to score cheap points. We are talking EU nationals with settled status i.e people who are making their lives and futures here and who are contributing just as much as any of us.
     
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    I don't think I was replying to his post. :eek: Try again
     
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    they can get to the polling booths on their mopeds
     
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    If they are not citizens they should not be able to vote.
     
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    Of course you were. Stop being a cernyberny
     
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    Trump does always speak as though he's talking to children. May be that's why voters in the rust belt understand him!
     
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    Think you will find I am talking about Commonwealth and Irish Citizens that Finglas mentioned. :eek:
    actually
    :eek::eek:
     
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  20. ELLERS

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    I mentioned the bit about the book the other day. He really loves himself. Saying that he will win again according to some US commentators.
     
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