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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
colognehornet said:
Just to clarify that Germany has 4 levels of elections. For the Bundestag (National), for the state parliament (eg. Bavaria), European elections, and local elections. British nationals can vote in local and European elections - I vote in all because I have German nationality as well. 16-17 year olds are allowed to vote in some state elections (the individual states decide this) and in local elections - not sure about the Euros. It is being debated as to whether they can vote in national ones. Countries which include voting rights for all elections include Portugal, Sweden, Italy and a couple of others which I can't remember. Belgium also has more or less uniform voting because it has the highest rate of naturalization coupled with compulsory voting (which I would like to see in the UK).
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So basically you went around the houses.... I looked it up and it says

All German citizens over the age of 18 are allowed to vote (Art. 38, para. 2 of the Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany), as long as they have lived in Germany for at least a three-month continuous period that was within 25 years of the election.
If you are not a citizen (I.e UK national working there paying taxes and all that you cant vote)

So you think some 16 year old bod from Poland or France should be able to come and work here and decide on our future through a vote?
Deluded.
 
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Stroller said:
More democracy eh?
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Stroller it won't get through.
1. Lindsey has to choose the amendments. Normally under parlimentary stuff a simple bill wouldn't have such detailed amendments. It takes months of debate. All commentators say he won't choose them. Especially as he loves the ERG. :emoticon-0100-smile ( that is a joke).
2. if he does then the house votes on it and its not guaranteed to pass.
3. If it does pass the Tories will pull it.
 
colognehornet said:
Just to clarify that Germany has 4 levels of elections. For the Bundestag (National), for the state parliament (eg. Bavaria), European elections, and local elections. British nationals can vote in local and European elections - I vote in all because I have German nationality as well. 16-17 year olds are allowed to vote in some state elections (the individual states decide this) and in local elections - not sure about the Euros. It is being debated as to whether they can vote in national ones. Countries which include voting rights for all elections include Portugal, Sweden, Italy and a couple of others which I can't remember. Belgium also has more or less uniform voting because it has the highest rate of naturalization coupled with compulsory voting (which I would like to see in the UK).
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EU citizens, and 16-17 year olds get to vote in our local elections, and the Holyrood elections, and also were eligible to vote in the Independance referendum in 2014.
 
ELLERS said:
So basically you went around the houses.... I looked it up and it says

All German citizens over the age of 18 are allowed to vote (Art. 38, para. 2 of the Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany), as long as they have lived in Germany for at least a three-month continuous period that was within 25 years of the election.
If you are not a citizen (I.e UK national working there paying taxes and all that you cant vote)

So you think some 16 year old bod from Poland or France should be able to come and work here and decide on our future through a vote?
Deluded.
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I simply gave a complete answer to your question - if you think it was 'going around the houses' then that's your thing. I have already said that I would be in favour of opening the vote for EU citizens subject to some conditions, such as length of residence and proof of linguistic ability. If you're not prepared to give citizen's rights to people then don't take their taxes - simple as that.
 
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Okay forget what I said about the speakers assistant. I must have misheard what they said because they have just confirmed it on TV now.
 
colognehornet said:
I simply gave a complete answer to your question - if you think it was 'going around the houses' then that's your thing. I have already said that I would be in favour of opening the vote for EU citizens subject to some conditions, such as length of residence and proof of linguistic ability. If you're not prepared to give citizen's rights to people then don't take their taxes - simple as that.
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I have no problem with British Citizens voting but I would not want non citizens having a vote. It a ridiculous thing. Why would I want some bod coming here for 3 months, voting, leaving and never come back to change something that would affect some poor sod that lives here? Ain't gonna happen. This whole !6-17Yrs-EU votes is just an opportunistic thing.
I tell you what, once the Tories get in with a majority a few laws will be changed (that's a fact).
 
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I see Commonwealth citizens residing in the UK can vote in UK general elections where as EU (except Ireland) can't. Should somebody from Malawi or Pakistan or wherever get a vote over a Pole or Portuguese for example?

Irish and British citizens can vote in all elections if they reside in the other country.
 
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ELLERS said:
I have no problem with British Citizens voting but I would not want non citizens having a vote. It a ridiculous thing. Why would I want some bod coming here for 3 months, voting, leaving and never come back to change something that would affect some poor sod that lives here? Ain't gonna happen. This whole !6-17Yrs-EU votes is just an opportunistic thing.
I tell you what, once the Tories get in with a majority a few laws will be changed (that's a fact).
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As far as I understand it Irish citizens can vote in the UK. and the same is true the other way around - so there is a precedent for this. Try to read texts a little more carefully - I was not suggesting that someone should be able to come, vote, and go. I said 'under certain conditions' which could include up to a 5 year residence period.
 
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To vote in a General Election you must: ... be 18 or over on the day of the election('polling day') be a British, Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen. be resident at an address in the UK (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years).

15 years
Thats not the same as John Paul From Paris coming over here for 3 months and being able to vote.
 
ELLERS said:
To vote in a General Election you must: ... be 18 or over on the day of the election('polling day') be a British, Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen. be resident at an address in the UK (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years).

15 years
Thats not the same as John Paul From Paris coming over here for 3 months and being able to vote.
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I dont think you have read properly what cologne wrote cerny. Try again.
 
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bloody hell watching Sky News and that Meg Russel looks like Alan Rickman"s character in Harry Potter!
Also how come Sky are letting those freaks with banners saying "Get ready for medicine shortages" get into camera shot. The presenter has even moved so it can be clearly seen.

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ELLERS said:
To vote in a General Election you must: ... be 18 or over on the day of the election('polling day') be a British, Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen. be resident at an address in the UK (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years).

15 years
Thats not the same as John Paul From Paris coming over here for 3 months and being able to vote.
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And that's not what is being proposed, stop over simplifying to score cheap points. We are talking EU nationals with settled status i.e people who are making their lives and futures here and who are contributing just as much as any of us.
 
Frome-Ranger said:
And that's not what is being proposed, stop over simplifying to score cheap points. We are talking EU nationals with settled status i.e people who are making their lives and futures here and who are contributing just as much as any of us.
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If they are not citizens they should not be able to vote.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
Trump does always speak as though he's talking to children. May be that's why voters in the rust belt understand him!
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I mentioned the bit about the book the other day. He really loves himself. Saying that he will win again according to some US commentators.
 
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