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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Corbyn getting slated

Corbyn: "We have now heard from the EU that the extension of Article 50 to 31st January has been confirmed, so for the next three months, our condition of taking No Deal off the table has now been met...."

[scratches head]. This is true. But it was also true at the time of the vote yesterday evening and also at the time of Jeremy Corbyn's Commons speech.
 
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Labour know they won’t win an election but it will be a good way to get rid of that dithering idiot Corbyn. They are sharpening the knives as I type.
 
ELLERS said:
Labour know they won’t win an election but it will be a good way to get rid of that dithering idiot Corbyn. They are sharpening the knives as I type.
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Yep, you'll have Rebecca Wrong-Daily, the school-swot lookalike who clearly wasn't a school swot. I wonder who'll be pulling her strings...
 
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colognehornet said:
Nothing will be sorted soon Ellers - this is not the end of Brexit, but the beginning of it. There now follows a long and difficult process of negotiating the future trading relationship, which will be far more difficult than any deal so far. To an extent I have 'moved on' and, although I think brexit is a mad idea, and that the first referendum was a mistake I can come to terms with it. What is more of a horror is the idea of Johnson having a possible majority for the next 5 years. We should have already gained an idea of how far right the present government is by how many moderates have been purged from the party. What we face is the possible return to the ravages of the Thatcher years - though even worse than this - deregulation, evaporation of workers rights and environmental controls, the NHS as we know it. Where our only ideological bedfellow will be Trump. All of this can be set into movement by people voting just to get Brexit over the line. People should not be thinking about Brexit - but rather asking whether they want to give Johnson and his cronies a free reign for the next 5 years. If the post Brexit future involves Britain turning into a bargain basement society which exists only to make itself attractive for foreign investment (yet mumbles about sovereignty), if the future involves Britain turning itself into a tax oasis before the gates of Europe (like Singapore for Asia) and a dumping ground for every product which America wants to get rid of then I want no part of this. This is the battle I am thinking of Ellers - what comes after ?
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You have been listening to Lord Donis.
What should we do then, revoke? I know the fanatics want that but I think that idea has just died. Boris will win the next election and Brexit will be sorted. He may even change the deal, we don’t know but once he has the majority he will be able to govern.
From your post I can see you are anti-Brexit, anti-Tory and anti-Trump. This is fine. I really don’t care what people think or who they vote for but respecting a result is paramount.
You say in one breath that we don’t know what will happen then you create a doom scenario? You don’t know how things will pan out but one thing is evident is that the EU is in trouble and isn’t working.
 
ELLERS said:
So what is your point. He wants a GE so he can run the country without being stopped at ever turn.
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My point is he’s backed himself into a corner where he needs a GE. If somehow enough of us are mug enough to back him into a majority then so be it and we’ll deserve what they inflict upon us but he and his party deserve to suffer for their party over country decisions which have got us here over the last four years.
 
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ELLERS said:
Boris will be forgiven because everytime he wants us to leave parliament stop him.
You should know about u turns! You said you were leaving this forum and not coming back (remember)? Now I am reading a post from you.
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ELLERS said:
I'm bored now.....old arguments. Move on fella. It will be sorted soon.
Boris and Farage have a deal and we will leave the corrupt EU.
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You’re coming over as a bit of a school bully today Ellers......just letting you know.
 
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ELLERS said:
You have been listening to Lord Donis.
What should we do then, revoke? I know the fanatics want that but I think that idea has just died. Boris will win the next election and Brexit will be sorted. He may even change the deal, we don’t know but once he has the majority he will be able to govern.
From your post I can see you are anti-Brexit, anti-Tory and anti-Trump. This is fine. I really don’t care what people think or who they vote for but respecting a result is paramount.
You say in one breath that we don’t know what will happen then you create a doom scenario? You don’t know how things will pan out but one thing is evident is that the EU is in trouble and isn’t working.
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Not trying to create a doom scenario Ellers - it is important that we get down to discussing ideas of how a post Brexit Britain could develop, because the next electoral term will be, mostly, a post Brexit one. You cannot deny that the Tory party has been subject to entryism in recent years and has shifted much further to the right as a result - even Thatcher would have baulked at the idea of so many moderates leaving the fold.
 
West WindsR said:
My point is he’s backed himself into a corner where he needs a GE. If somehow enough of us are mug enough to back him into a majority then so be it and we’ll deserve what they inflict upon us but he and his party deserve to suffer for their party over country decisions which have got us here over the last four years.
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I don’t think he has backed himself into a corner. I think Cummins and Co knew exactly what they were doing. They knew the maths in Parliament.
On another note you should always respect people’s vote and who they vote for. Calling them mugs is unfair. I have a fab MP here so why am I a mug for voting for him?
 
colognehornet said:
Labour does not want a 'Brexit' election - they want an election which is based on a much wider range of themes. Brexit may well be dried and dusted in 3 months whereas an election is about who runs the country for the next 5 years.
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So you agree.

This is about personal vanity and persona political aspirations right across the spectrum. Yes I’m cynical, but I doubt many politicians these days are in it primarily for public service, particularly those that have never really had a proper job. Whatever the issues - Brexit or other - this is about what gives each party the best chance of winning or retaining power.
 
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colognehornet said:
We don't know what 'leave' means Ellers - it meant different things to different people, and, before the referendum, the 'Norway' model was being touted by people such as Bojo and Farage as a possible outcome. We were on the way to finding a Brexit which was acceptable but Johnson has blocked it himself.
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What does Remain mean. Let’s have a long drawn out debate about what sort of EU would make a significant majority of the British people happy. Not.
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
What does Remain mean. Let’s have a long drawn out debate about what sort of EU would make a significant majority of the British people happy. Not.
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They don’t know what Remain means! You ask remainers simple questions about the EU and they don’t know.
 
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<laugh> Corbyn has just been on TV surrounded by the Muppet show acting like he has just called the election! <laugh>
Too late Jezza you have blown it!
 
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