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Eric Le Merde said:
Seems like a fair request, most kiwis are fair minded decent people and are having a referendum of their own next year. They also want to re-run the World Cup cricket final to exclude their nationals from playing for the English. Similar requests are also being made from Germany about the 1966 football world cup final based on them being unfairly penalised by the imposition of an artificial partition in their country by the English amongst others, resulting in them being unable to select players from the east of their nation.
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Yea, and the 'other' Germany had better drugs!
 
Eric Le Merde said:
Seems like a fair request, most kiwis are fair minded decent people and are having a referendum of their own next year. They also want to re-run the World Cup cricket final to exclude their nationals from playing for the English. Similar requests are also being made from Germany about the 1966 football world cup final based on them being unfairly penalised by the imposition of an artificial partition in their country by the English amongst others, resulting in them being unable to select players from the east of their nation.
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Well we gave them a re-run of WW1 but same result
 
lifecheshirewhite said:
Didn't work for the Germans
The General election is like another referendum and like the first, won't go well for remain. ;)
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I see what you're saying but there are a lot more issues to be considered in a GE as opposed to a referendum vote though and personalities, or lack of, will be a consideration in a GE as well as workers rights, taxation, NHS etc etc. Somebody one may want to lead the country for the next 5 years may not necessarily share the same views on Leaving the EU. As there is likely to be an election either get all the parties to agree that the vote that has happened is it and all agree to leave the EU, unlikely, or get them all to agree that a new referendum would be binding on them all and remove this divisive issue from the normal political arena. Then have a GE otherwise it would appear as though running the country will get mixed up with who shouts loudest about BREXIT and the two aren't necessarily compatible.

The UK appears quite closely balanced between leave and remain and if this is reflected in a GE then there will be no clear majority and you could possibly be back where you all are now. I know if the polls are to be believed then Johnson would win easily. He probably is the best person to have if you want to leave the EU and Corbyn perhaps if you want to remain but are either the best candidate to run the country? This I think will be the crux of the problem for a lot a voters.

OK all pie in the sky and what's it to do with you, you Aussie dingo chaser and I know leave means leave etc. Leave did win but how are you going to move forward with half the country pissed off if you leave and the other half pissed off if you somehow remain?
 
Even the EU are split and arguing now.

I personally think they delayed a decision because they knew someone was going to veto an extension.

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Eric Le Merde said:
I see what you're saying but there are a lot more issues to be considered in a GE as opposed to a referendum vote though and personalities, or lack of, will be a consideration in a GE as well as workers rights, taxation, NHS etc etc. Somebody one may want to lead the country for the next 5 years may not necessarily share the same views on Leaving the EU. As there is likely to be an election either get all the parties to agree that the vote that has happened is it and all agree to leave the EU, unlikely, or get them all to agree that a new referendum would be binding on them all and remove this divisive issue from the normal political arena. Then have a GE otherwise it would appear as though running the country will get mixed up with who shouts loudest about BREXIT and the two aren't necessarily compatible.

The UK appears quite closely balanced between leave and remain and if this is reflected in a GE then there will be no clear majority and you could possibly be back where you all are now. I know if the polls are to be believed then Johnson would win easily. He probably is the best person to have if you want to leave the EU and Corbyn perhaps if you want to remain but are either the best candidate to run the country? This I think will be the crux of the problem for a lot a voters.

OK all pie in the sky and what's it to do with you, you Aussie dingo chaser and I know leave means leave etc. Leave did win but how are you going to move forward with half the country pissed off if you leave and the other half pissed off if you somehow remain?
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A second referendum can't happen, the first one hasn't been enacted yet.

Secondly, to give a second referendum would probably create a civil war as it goes against the democratic rights of the people and the UK, as well as the laws already in place.

To revoke the first referendum is a dictatorship, not democracy.
 
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Eric Le Merde said:
I see what you're saying but there are a lot more issues to be considered in a GE as opposed to a referendum vote though and personalities, or lack of, will be a consideration in a GE as well as workers rights, taxation, NHS etc etc. Somebody one may want to lead the country for the next 5 years may not necessarily share the same views on Leaving the EU. As there is likely to be an election either get all the parties to agree that the vote that has happened is it and all agree to leave the EU, unlikely, or get them all to agree that a new referendum would be binding on them all and remove this divisive issue from the normal political arena. Then have a GE otherwise it would appear as though running the country will get mixed up with who shouts loudest about BREXIT and the two aren't necessarily compatible.

The UK appears quite closely balanced between leave and remain and if this is reflected in a GE then there will be no clear majority and you could possibly be back where you all are now. I know if the polls are to be believed then Johnson would win easily. He probably is the best person to have if you want to leave the EU and Corbyn perhaps if you want to remain but are either the best candidate to run the country? This I think will be the crux of the problem for a lot a voters.

OK all pie in the sky and what's it to do with you, you Aussie dingo chaser and I know leave means leave etc. Leave did win but how are you going to move forward with half the country pissed off if you leave and the other half pissed off if you somehow remain?
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We left the country in 1971 because we were pissed off with the place. Seems nothing has changed.
 
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LeedsLover said:
A second referendum can't happen, the first one hasn't been enacted yet.

Secondly, to give a second referendum would probably create a civil war as it goes against the democratic rights of the people and the UK, as well as the laws already in place.

To revoke the first referendum is a dictatorship, not democracy.
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The point I was making was that politicians are hiding behind, the 2016 referendum being advisory, which it was. Have a second one and make the decision binding on all parties.

Without more consensus the risk of civil disturbance increases one way or another your country has to address these differences or you'll all be losers whether you leave or remain.
 
Eric Le Merde said:
The point I was making was that politicians are hiding behind, the 2016 referendum being advisory, which it was. Have a second one and make the decision binding on all parties.

Without more consensus the risk of civil disturbance increases one way or another your country has to address these differences or you'll all be losers whether you leave or remain.
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Exactly what I thought in '71.
 
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LeedsLover said:
Even the EU are split and arguing now.

I personally think they delayed a decision because they knew someone was going to veto an extension.

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I think this is what I said many posts ago. The EU, especially France, don't see a downside in a no-deal Brexit. OK not great but perhaps better than protracted uncertainty.
 
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Eric Le Merde said:
The point I was making was that politicians are hiding behind, the 2016 referendum being advisory, which it was. Have a second one and make the decision binding on all parties.

Without more consensus the risk of civil disturbance increases one way or another your country has to address these differences or you'll all be losers whether you leave or remain.
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I think the 2016 referendum has been entered into law, and is binding to all parties seeing as all parties agreed to abide by, and honour the people's vote results.

Although Jo Swinson keeps saying she will stop Brexit, thing is, she, or anyone else can't unless she revokes article 50. To revoke article 50 they must go back to the people. To go back to the people they must offer a referendum, but first they must make the first referendum null and void by changing the law, to change the law they must go back to the people.
 
No ifs, no buts.

Rather be dead in a ditch.

But don’t worry he’s still not lying to you guys.

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