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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
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Excellent, that’s crystal clear! I guess we must be out by now, Call Me Dave?
 
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Stroller said:
Labour can't afford to have a Brexit election, so they will continue to block it. They need Johnson to bring his deal back, so that amendments can be added - referendum, customs union, workers' rights, NHS safeguards, whatever. Get Brexit sorted more on their terms than Johnson's and then have an election on the issues that people cared about before Brexit became the be all and end all.
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Yes, that sets out Labour's position well. But it's a dangerous game, to try to keep a zombie parliament in existence when the electorate's patience is being tested to boiling point. It could damage Labour, particularly if the SNP eventually vote with the Tories for a GE, and Corbyn is dragged kicking and screaming to the polls
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
Per twitter - Corbyn:

-No to May's deal

-No to Boris deal

-No to No deal

-No to Election x3 offers

-Yes to repeating a referendum we've already had.
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It’s not a referendum we’ve already had though. It’s a referendum where people know what a ****ing **** show the Tories have been for 3 1/2 years and have had a glimpse of what Brexit unicorns they’ll really get.

The Tories should be seeing this through and chose to give up a 12 seat majority. Calling an election two weeks before Xmas is desperate.
 
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West WindsR said:
It’s not a referendum we’ve already had though. It’s a referendum where people know what a ****ing **** show the Tories have been for 3 1/2 years and have had a glimpse of what Brexit unicorns they’ll really get.

The Tories should be seeing this through and chose to give up a 12 seat majority. Calling an election two weeks before Xmas is desperate.
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Has there been a change in the electorate's view over the last 3 years? No evidence whatsoever. Look at how well the Brexit Party did in the Euro elections
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
Has there been a change in the electorate's view over the last 3 years? No evidence whatsoever. Look at how well the Brexit Party did in the Euro elections
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Lunatic parties tend to perform better under PR and in elections people view as less important. The BNP did relatively well so it’s no real surprise Farage can mug people who don’t think we should be in Euro elections to vote for him in Euro elections.

Even if you base an assumption on older people dying and more younger people being eligible you get a huge swing.

Only one way to find out but let’s have another snap election. That sorted it right out last time.
 
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West WindsR said:
The Tories should be seeing this through and chose to give up a 12 seat majority. Calling an election two weeks before Xmas is desperate.
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You know what, Sloughie, I largely agree with that. Surprised, huh?

I posted that Cameron Twitter clip whilst walking my ‘doodle through the woods this morning and it got me revisiting the last 3 1/2 years...

Cameron was PM with a majority. We all know he was a ****ing idiot for calling the Referendum in the first place*. But having done so, I think it was his duty as a democratically elected public servant to have then delivered Brexit with his government and his majority. Resigning when he did was cowardly, petulant and an abrogation of his responsibilities. Frankly, unforgivable.

Leaving the mess of his own creation to others even less equipped to deliver Brexit** was (to use an official Hansard term) ****ish.

*I’ve stated my position on this much, much earlier on this thread, so won’t repeat it here. Anybody remotely interested (of which there’ll be none) can do their own homework.

**Both in terms of their own abilities and the constitution of Parliament to facilitate an outcome.
 
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West WindsR said:
Lunatic parties tend to perform better under PR and in elections people view as less important. The BNP did relatively well so it’s no real surprise Farage can mug people who don’t think we should be in Euro elections to vote for him in Euro elections.

Even if you base an assumption on older people dying and more younger people being eligible you get a huge swing.

Only one way to find out but let’s have another snap election. That sorted it right out last time.
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There are many ways that we can find out. I reckon Johnson, Corbyn, Namby Norks et al should go through a trial of participation in: The Chase, The Voice, Hunted and Ninja Warrior and see who’s the ultimate.

Winner takes all.
 
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West WindsR said:
Lunatic parties tend to perform better under PR and in elections people view as less important. The BNP did relatively well so it’s no real surprise Farage can mug people who don’t think we should be in Euro elections to vote for him in Euro elections.

Even if you base an assumption on older people dying and more younger people being eligible you get a huge swing.

Only one way to find out but let’s have another snap election. That sorted it right out last time.
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The Euro results aren't conclusive, true. Neither are all the current UK polls that favour TBP and Boris. But put the two together, and you begin to see a trend. Which is in part why there is no majority in Parliament for a second referendum
 
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bobmid said:
2nd referendum I reckon, this time based on facts and truths. That should settle it.
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No far to predictable and boring, let’s have a best of 99 over the next 150 years with the eventual winners All being shot because it’s actually un democratic decision and somebody must have told a porkie during the campaigning and it doesn’t matter anyway cause old uncle Steptoe AKA comrade Jezzbollah Corbynski at the age of 211and still leader of the opposition will continue to vote against it because he fears losing the only thing he can eat which is French toast made in Uzbekistan (latest member) packed in a tin as the rest of the maniacs in Brussels debate allowing Outer *****lia to join the EU as they continue their quest to keep moving eastwards as Emperor Napoleon 3rd Macron and Reichsfuehrer Merkel continue to emulate their countries former leaders Napoleon and Adolf in the desire to own the whole ****ing lot.
Meanwhile in the U.K. we can all look forward to celebrating Brexit day’s 153rd anniversary on the 29th March with a television extravaganza hosted by Graham Norton’s 3rd clone and the still going strong Claire Balding who now owns the BBC and presents and stars all their programs, pretty much as she does now.
 
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Turkish" Premier" Hoops said:
No far to predictable and boring, let’s have a best of 99 over the next 150 years with the eventual winners All being shot because it’s actually un democratic decision and somebody must have told a porkie during the campaigning and it doesn’t matter anyway cause old uncle Steptoe AKA comrade Jezzbollah Corbynski at the age of 211and still leader of the opposition will continue to vote against it because he fears losing the only thing he can eat which is French toast made in Uzbekistan (latest member) packed in a tin as the rest of the maniacs in Brussels debate allowing Outer *****lia to join the EU as they continue their quest to keep moving eastwards as Emperor Napoleon 3rd Macron and Reichsfuehrer Merkel continue to emulate their countries former leaders Napoleon and Adolf in the desire to own the whole ****ing lot.
Meanwhile in the U.K. we can all look forward to celebrating Brexit day’s 153rd anniversary on the 29th March with a television extravaganza hosted by Graham Norton’s 3rd clone and the still going strong Claire Balding who now owns the BBC and presents and stars all their programs, pretty much as she does now.
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You’re back! I was worried you’d taken one for Boris and thrown yourself in the ditch.
 
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