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When did actual "Facts" make any difference in this complete farce? And I thought we weren't allowed to change our minds anymore?
The facts are the same, he's just changed position for convenience. Some might call it buckling.
Honest question: do you actually care about what provisions are proposed for NI in this agreement?
I’ll be honest: no, not really.
I expect our Irish friends and perhaps those with closer ties to the island of Ireland (of which you may be one) to have stronger views than mine, but I’m far removed from it.
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Jump on a train and come join me in a ****ty Wetherspoons in Stockton-on-Tees.....it's like having a front row seat at a circus for the Neanderthals.....women screeching and threatening to rip each others faces off, junkies slumped in a corner, some girl near me who's "On a diet" (said so loud the whole place could hear it) then orders two portions of chips whilst struggling to fit her massive arse on a bar stool (I'm surprised her arse cheeks didn't swallow the thing) - all this and beer for only £1.99 a pint
do you get a free brexit party badge with every pint
Jess Phillips Esq., M.P.Verified account@jessphillips 21h21 hours ago
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There is literally nothing worth saying that I can say about Louise's resignation,
how can we still be here,
how can we still be in a position where Jewish colleagues don't feel they can stay.
How can this possibly not have stopped.
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There is literally nothing worth saying that I can say about Louise's resignation,
how can we still be here,
how can we still be in a position where Jewish colleagues don't feel they can stay.
How can this possibly not have stopped.
Yes, I care passionately about what happens in NI. I lived in Belfast for three years at the peak of the troubles, and desperately hope that those days don't ever darken our shores again. I still have friends there and I can't believe that they are being sold out by Westminster.
Also, what happens in NI will directly affect me and the other 6million+ people who live in Scotland. A border in the Irish Sea may seem meaningless to you guys down in the Home Counties, but I can assure you that it will have consequences up here. This deal, IF it gets through, will be a boost to the SNP too
If I did, I'd pin it straight in that **** Tim Martins eye!!
I think Stainsey will want to know how you know that.
I respect that. But again, being honest, I’m kinda relaxed about Scotland being independent too If the Scots want the right of self determination then it would be a tad hypocritical of me (a Brexiteer) denying them it... although they had that referendum and rejected independence, of course.
Yes, Independance was rejected back in 2014, but a lot has changed since then.....
I just can't see how an independant Scotland will work. As desperate as the SNP are to remain in the EU, the deal that has been struck kinda ****s them up the arse - their plan would be to rejoin the EU, but a hard border between Scotland and England will be a hard sell. Personally, although I voted for Independance back in 2014, I would vote to stay in the UK if there was a second referendum. I do a lot of work all over the UK, and I've no idea how that would work out if I had to cross borders every week.
The whole things a mess, and deal, no deal, revoke, whatever, we'll still be going round in circles 5 years from now calling each other pathetic names and having digs whenever we can.
I'm working my way through the Real Ale Festival menu and when I get to the bottom, I'll restart - it's the only sensible thing to do!
Douglas CarswellVerified account@DouglasCarswell 11h11 hours ago
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Hearing that a key part of the deal is that Brussels gets to keep Grieve, Adonis and Lammy
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Hearing that a key part of the deal is that Brussels gets to keep Grieve, Adonis and Lammy
ER get to finally meet real people that need to get to work
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Hopefully more commuters will do what the Police have failed to do. Many of those are on zero hours contracts and minimum wage and simply cannot afford to lose even small amounts of earnings. Most of XR are 'professionals' who probably have never known what it's like to be down to your last pound. The more reality checks they get the better...
Finally, a rebellion against Extinction Rebellion
Commuters of London, rise up against the eco-elitists!
Brendan O'Neill
Editor
17th October 2019
The people are rising up against the elites. No, I don’t mean Extinction Rebellion. I mean the Rebellion against Extinction Rebellion. Today’s clashes on the Tube between the commuting working classes and the time-rich, bourgeois fearmongers of the XR cult is a wonderful illustration of the elitist nature of eco-politics and of rising public fury with the eco-agenda.
For more than a week now the XR elitists have been disrupting everyday life. They’ve stopped flights from taking off, preventing people from going on well-earned holidays or visiting loved ones abroad. They’ve clogged up roads in city centres, irritating cab drivers and people on buses. And they’ve stormed Smithfield meat market and Billingsgate fish market – smug middle-class vegans lecturing hard-working traders about the correct way to think and live.
But today their sneering campaigning went too far. Today they disrupted the Tube. Yes, this mass, largely electric public-transport system used by millions of people is the latest target of these arrogant disrupters of the masses’ lives. And people got pissed off. Really pissed off.
Across the Tube system commuters confronted the XR irritants. In one videoed scene a commuter can be heard asking about people who have hospital appointments to keep. What about them? ‘The point is…’, replies a plummy XR protester, no doubt about to launch into a snooty green lecture for the little people, but she gets cut off by other angry commuters. One points out that the train she has glued herself to is electric. Why target this transport system? ‘Are you guys really THAT ****ing stupid?’, he asks. ‘That’s why you ain’t got jobs…’
On the Tube train I was on the driver announced a delay ‘due to protests’. Cue an enormous groan from the teeming train-riders. In Canning Town an angry crowd of working people even dragged XR protesters off the top of a Tube train. The sight of one of the protesters kicking at the commuters to prevent them from reaching him really showed how nasty and contemptuous of the public these green extremists have become. This is the reactionary middle classes insulting and assaulting ordinary people – horrible.
Some leftists and greens have been shocked by today’s rebellion against Extinction Rebellion. They’re saying XR should change tactics. But the problem here isn’t tactics – no, this ugly, elitist inconveniencing of ordinary people represents the actual content of XR’s outlook. It captures the fundamentals of this movement, which is a backward-looking, anti-progress, anti-people outfit. Today’s XR sneering at working people wasn’t a mistaken tactic – it was the essence of environmentalism.
The idea that XR must now change tack to try to win over more working people is ridiculous. People reject this elitist movement. They reject its alarmism, its snobbery, its anti-humanism, and its demands for crippling austerity. We saw that today. Commuters’ message was ‘**** Extinction Rebellion’. And that’s a positive, progressive, forward-looking political demand we can organise around.
Commuters of London, rise up against the eco-elitists!
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Brendan O'Neill
Editor
17th October 2019
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The people are rising up against the elites. No, I don’t mean Extinction Rebellion. I mean the Rebellion against Extinction Rebellion. Today’s clashes on the Tube between the commuting working classes and the time-rich, bourgeois fearmongers of the XR cult is a wonderful illustration of the elitist nature of eco-politics and of rising public fury with the eco-agenda.
For more than a week now the XR elitists have been disrupting everyday life. They’ve stopped flights from taking off, preventing people from going on well-earned holidays or visiting loved ones abroad. They’ve clogged up roads in city centres, irritating cab drivers and people on buses. And they’ve stormed Smithfield meat market and Billingsgate fish market – smug middle-class vegans lecturing hard-working traders about the correct way to think and live.
But today their sneering campaigning went too far. Today they disrupted the Tube. Yes, this mass, largely electric public-transport system used by millions of people is the latest target of these arrogant disrupters of the masses’ lives. And people got pissed off. Really pissed off.
Across the Tube system commuters confronted the XR irritants. In one videoed scene a commuter can be heard asking about people who have hospital appointments to keep. What about them? ‘The point is…’, replies a plummy XR protester, no doubt about to launch into a snooty green lecture for the little people, but she gets cut off by other angry commuters. One points out that the train she has glued herself to is electric. Why target this transport system? ‘Are you guys really THAT ****ing stupid?’, he asks. ‘That’s why you ain’t got jobs…’
On the Tube train I was on the driver announced a delay ‘due to protests’. Cue an enormous groan from the teeming train-riders. In Canning Town an angry crowd of working people even dragged XR protesters off the top of a Tube train. The sight of one of the protesters kicking at the commuters to prevent them from reaching him really showed how nasty and contemptuous of the public these green extremists have become. This is the reactionary middle classes insulting and assaulting ordinary people – horrible.
You must log in or register to see images
Some leftists and greens have been shocked by today’s rebellion against Extinction Rebellion. They’re saying XR should change tactics. But the problem here isn’t tactics – no, this ugly, elitist inconveniencing of ordinary people represents the actual content of XR’s outlook. It captures the fundamentals of this movement, which is a backward-looking, anti-progress, anti-people outfit. Today’s XR sneering at working people wasn’t a mistaken tactic – it was the essence of environmentalism.
The idea that XR must now change tack to try to win over more working people is ridiculous. People reject this elitist movement. They reject its alarmism, its snobbery, its anti-humanism, and its demands for crippling austerity. We saw that today. Commuters’ message was ‘**** Extinction Rebellion’. And that’s a positive, progressive, forward-looking political demand we can organise around.
