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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by wtdog, Sep 28, 2019.

  1. Ciro_DiMarzio

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    I reckon he is good enough for championship.
     
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  2. Nacho

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    So do I, obviously he's got a lot of heart but there's more to him than that. He played some really nice football today, didn't give the ball away, showed a lovely touch several times to bring it under control and his decision making throughout was mature.

    Apart from when he cleared that guy out and got a yellow but I'll let him off, who could get mad at that face.
     
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  3. FulwellBri

    FulwellBri Well-Known Member

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    Strange that both luton and charlton had far far less resources ( squad depth, transfer budget and wages ) than we did but managed to make us look very very ordinary.
    Charlton are still ( despite again having to operate on the smell of an oily rag ) more than holding their own in the c'ship.
    These things happen due ro having an ambitious, confident, competent manager at the helm.
    Grigg and wyke were both free scoring strikers ( at this level ) prior to ross getting his mits on them.
    How many centre back pairings has he tried. How many cb's has he brought in.
    In a season and a half how many lb's has he tried?
    How many cm pairings has he tried. How many cm's has he brought in?
    He doesnt know what he is doing.
    There was an excellent article in RR from a nerd who pumped out every possible analytic of performance and compared last season with this season ( thus far ). We have gone backwards. Strip out the cup games and the picture is worse.
    Having mavericks like maguire and macgeady papers over the cracks.
    We continue to choke when teams fight back.
    Our football remains eye bleedingly awful.
    He continues to delude himself with tales of 'hard work' and look where we were when he arrived. We were a mess and still are... except off the pitch where the money haemorraging has been stopped ( thanks to a very generous short writing off debts ).
    Ross has reached the pinnacle of his career...he pant cutting the mustard.
     
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  4. FulwellBri

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    I think Lincoln will surprise us..unfortunately.
     
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  5. Danny Foctor

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    Well, by that way of thinking none of the goals we concede are down to him seeing as he’s not on the pitch.
     
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  6. The Berk

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    I think it’s fitness levels, we don’t seem to be able to match other teams in the final half hour. Either that that or the tactics once we take the lead, change. Ultimately they’re both down to the manager.
     
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  7. clockstander

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    Brilliant post fella, a similar analysis was done on Salut S.,we know statistics can prove just about anything, but the quality of our performances are there for all except the totally blind to see. Even so just for the work that has gone on behind the scenes from SD,CM and JR in rescuing a sinking ship, the manager they appointed should be given until December to correct his mistakes, and he has made many obvious ones so far I agree, if he continues the progress made recently, as seen in the latest defensive set up, he may yet astound us all, we shall see.
     
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  8. Sid

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    The only young centre midfielder is Dobson. Power and McGeouch are both 26 while O'Nien turns 25 in November and the three of them are fairly experienced - Power over 300 appearances, O'Nien over 200 and McGeouch just under 200. They're all in the middle in terms of age and are all experienced. Leadbitter being the only old one of the lot.
     
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  9. Sid

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    I'd like this post more than once if I could
     
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  10. dansafcman

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    I specified a younger version of Leadbitter. Neirger power and O9 play the same role as Leadbitter (or mcgeouch)
     
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    I don’t think it will be a surprise mate<ok>
     
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  12. Sid

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    You said that the midfield is either young and full of energy or experienced and old. It isn't. It's largely players in their mid twenties who are experienced with there only being the one young player and the one old player.
     
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  13. dansafcman

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    Not sure why you quoted me.
    I didn't say Ross was above reproach, only thst saying he's a 2nd rate Moyes is ****ing ridiculous. So you remember what moyes was like??

    It's not only about the manager, it's about recruitment, scouting network and everything else behind the scenes as well.

    We have no scouting network, it was stripped right back. Ross walked into a club and squad that was falling to pieces, and had a negative culture. You can't deny that.

    That RR you quote, we've improved defensively. And I'd argue with lynch and willis creating a partnership, it will improve more (based on the 2 games I've seen lynch play, so could be wrong there).

    Sure Grigg isn't scoring for us. But maja bloody managed it didn't he? Seems like mcnulty will as well. I'd argue that we brought Grigg in based on his scoring statistics rather than how well he'd fit (down to the stripped back scouting ad recruitment team not just Ross). He walks around like a little lost boy on the pitch. At least Wyke puts a shift in.

    Short wrote off the debt, but Donald and co had to drastically reduce costs. Get rid off staff, reorganisation etc
    The ownership change stuff can't be bloody helping either. I'm certain our summer recruitment wasn't helped by the 1st new owner rumours, and I can't see it being easy to manage a team with the current situation either - with neither Ross nor the team being certain of what the future holds.


    As I said, Ross isn't above reproach, but it isn't as simple as you make out.
     
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  14. dansafcman

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    Read my post again. 1st I said we need a younger version of Leadbitter, therefore when I talk about the age, I meant in context to the role Leadbitter plays.
     
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  15. Nacho

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    You'd think we were mid table the way people lay into Ross, we're three points away from second and won yesterday. Looks like McNulty is going to be a player so that should sort that issue and I think we've found our first choice defence now.

    Complain about the quality of the football if you like but we're in league one, with league one players. What do you expect.
     
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  16. FulwellBri

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    Of course I remember moyes.
    He was hopeless .
    So is Ross.
    He isnt learning. His football is anti diluvian and he is currently like a rabbit in the headlights.
    He has had resources like no other manager in this league and continues to waste them.
    He cries and whines when fans point out the bleeding obvious. He talks a good game I 'll give him that. He reminds me of the black knight in monty python.
    He is indecisive, overly negative and one dimensional. Wins in meaningless cup games against stiffs cant camouflage these deficiencies in his managerial skillset.
     
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  17. dansafcman

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    Nope, you definitely don't remember moyes if you equate Ross with him in anyway. The only thing that could be as bad as moyes is if pardew or mclaren were put in charge (and even then its debatable) the only thing thing that could be worse than moyes in charge , is a dead moyes in charge (and that's only because of the extra smell)

    I'm not going to argue against the rest, I've already done that in my previous post to you. And all you've replied back is personal opinions
     
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    Good post mate, but you forgot to add quicker, stronger, after younger, not much to ask. Both Leady and McGeouch come up short in this division. This super Leviathan I am describing added to Power and O/9 will give us the mid field we need. <ok>
     
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  19. Kip Spinach

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    I don’t know why the “Ross in” folk can’t get their head around it, it’s not the position we are in currently ( which btw, is no better than where we were last season, hovering in the playoffs), it’s the manner in which we play every game.

    He is incapable of attacking teams, we are clinging onto leads hence the plethora of 1-1’s.

    He has learnt nothing from last season. Zilch. For this reason we will not get promoted. Either he has to change or management has to change.
     
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  20. Nacho

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    The mistake that the Ross out crowd make imo is that they're labouring under the delusion that our players are better than they are. Only McGeady made the team of the season last year and you know why that is? Because he's the only player we have who's better than league one level.

    Dobson got relegated with Walsall, Catts was probably our best CM last season and nobody wanted him on a free. The squad is bang average and Ross has them almost in the top two.

    Considering that last season we had Maja banging them in and this one none of our strikers are scoring I'd say he's doing a good job. All he really needs is a quality forward and we won't be just outside the top two we'll be in them.
     
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