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So, are you telling me there are no remainers in the conservative party and no leavers in the Lib dumbs or labour parties?<doh>
I would be rather foolish to suggest such a thing, given what is presently clear to all (did you notice that I acknowledged this with reference to the 21 sacked tories?).

I was responding to your remark that the parties are the MPs. They most certainly are not. The MPs are there to do what they're told by the whips (parties), & the parties are there to do what they're told by the policymakers (i.e. the unions / donors).

The Brexit situation has resulted in an unprecedented number of dissenting MPs. I can't remember this ever happening before in any situation. It's usually a single MP issue.
 
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I would be rather foolish to suggest such a thing, given what is presently clear to all (did you notice that I acknowledged this with reference to the 21 sacked tories?).

I was responding to your remark that the parties are the MPs. They most certainly are not. The MPs are there to do what they're told by the whips (parties), & the parties are there to do what they're told by the policymakers (i.e. the unions / donors).

The Brexit situation has resulted in an unprecedented number of dissenting MPs. I can't remember this ever happening before in any situation. It's usually a single MP issue.
In this case there are 326 of the dissenting ****s who want to ignore the result of the referendum. that's why this mess is their fault, they think they know better than the electorate, its not so difficult to understand is it?
spare me your long winded babbling obfuscating response, yes, or no will do<ok>
 
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In this case there are 326 of the dissenting ****s who want to ignore the result of the referendum. that's why this mess is their fault, they think they know better than the electorate, its not so difficult to understand is it?
spare me your long winded babbling obfuscating response, yes, or no will do<ok>
LOL.

The big question for MPs is, do they represent the 'will of the people' referendum, their own constituents (who may have voted 'Leave', their party, their personal belief, or an evidence-based self-assessment of what will be best for the country.

All are valid, & tbf, it's not a choice I'd want to make myself, as criticism will no doubt rain down on them anyway from the people supportive of the views they don't represent in the end. And there are compelling arguments for each option, which makes it even harder.
 
FFS. It's easier dealing with an infant. OK, here goes ....

So WTF did your brain use to make the decision? Suspect it might be data, given that random vacant thought is the only other alternative! FFS!
It used the fact that most EU countries hate the UK and I don't want to be ruled by British hating countries, same reason I don't want Corbyn ;) bit better reason than pervert told you so, don't you think.
 
LOL.

The big question for MPs is, do they represent the 'will of the people' referendum, their own constituents (who may have voted 'Leave', their party, their personal belief, or an evidence-based self-assessment of what will be best for the country.

All are valid, & tbf, it's not a choice I'd want to make myself, as criticism will no doubt rain down on them anyway from the people supportive of the views they don't represent in the end. And there are compelling arguments for each option, which makes it even harder.
Was that a yes or no.?
 
This is a bit like the tail wagging the dog, WJ. Leaving the MPs to vote on a free basis only means that they will vote the way they want and not represent the will of their electorate.
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It used the fact that most EU countries hate the UK and I don't want to be ruled by British hating countries, same reason I don't want Corbyn ;) bit better reason than pervert told you so, don't you think.
Only pervert that's ever told me something was you! <whistle> Or was it one of the Tranny Three ..... (old age letting me down :emoticon-0114-dull:)

I find it remarkable that you find that most EU countries hate the UK. Au contraire, mon ami! Based on what, I must ask? I think under closer examination that you'll find that the opposite is more likely true amongst the absolute minority that might consider taking such a view one way or the other. My own experience, based on my time spent in 25 of the 27 other EU countries, suggests otherwise.

Given this view, are you not troubled that a country that we are still officially at war with has produced our Head Coach? Surely, given your evident hatred of EU equivalents, you don't want the product of a UK-hating country ruling our club?

Getting back to the point then, you have not used data to make your choice, but simply employed a questionable opinion. How very odd.
 
Only pervert that's ever told me something was you! <whistle> Or was it one of the Tranny Three ..... (old age letting me down :emoticon-0114-dull:)

I find it remarkable that you find that most EU countries hate the UK. Au contraire, mon ami! Based on what, I must ask? I think under closer examination that you'll find that the opposite is more likely true amongst the absolute minority that might consider taking such a view one way or the other. My own experience, based on my time spent in 25 of the 27 other EU countries, suggests otherwise.

Given this view, are you not troubled that a country that we are still officially at war with has produced our Head Coach? Surely, given your evident hatred of EU equivalents, you don't want the product of a UK-hating country ruling our club?

Getting back to the point then, you have not used data to make your choice, but simply employed a questionable opinion. How very odd.
There is a multitude of evidence, but I fear we will have to send you Specsavers or you won't see it with your blinkers on.
Drunken EU heads of state 2-3 times a week slagging the UK off, Euro vision, ripping us off on EU payments, supplying Argentina with planes and Weapons to kill British soldiers. But until we remove your blinkers or cateracts I fear you won't see in front of yourself till you fall over it. I will fetch a knife Tuesday, give your eyeballs a scrape <whistle>
 
Only pervert that's ever told me something was you! <whistle> Or was it one of the Tranny Three ..... (old age letting me down :emoticon-0114-dull:)

I find it remarkable that you find that most EU countries hate the UK. Au contraire, mon ami! Based on what, I must ask? I think under closer examination that you'll find that the opposite is more likely true amongst the absolute minority that might consider taking such a view one way or the other. My own experience, based on my time spent in 25 of the 27 other EU countries, suggests otherwise.

Given this view, are you not troubled that a country that we are still officially at war with has produced our Head Coach? Surely, given your evident hatred of EU equivalents, you don't want the product of a UK-hating country ruling our club?

Getting back to the point then, you have not used data to make your choice, but simply employed a questionable opinion. How very odd.
ow and to cut through all your waffle, we never were at war with Argentina, it was just a local conflict, so we are not at war and never were. Just 100% wrong on that one WJ.
 
There is a multitude of evidence, but I fear we will have to send you Specsavers or you won't see it with your blinkers on.
Drunken EU heads of state 2-3 times a week slagging the UK off, Euro vision, ripping us off on EU payments, supplying Argentina with planes and Weapons to kill British soldiers. But until we remove your blinkers or cateracts I fear you won't see in front of yourself till you fall over it. I will fetch a knife Tuesday, give your eyeballs a scrape <whistle>
Eurovision: <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh> I'll assume that's a joke.

Drunken EU ... : Can you blame them?

EU payments: I have no idea what you're talking about. Too vague.

And your old, proven untrue chestnut about France supplying planes & missiles to kill British soldiers. But of course you fail to mention that this happened BEFORE the war, not DURING. And again ignoring the fact that Sir John Nott, former UK Defence Secretary, in his memoirs stated quite clearly that France was the UK's GREATEST ALLY during the Falklands war. But then, you'd know better than him, wouldn't you?

And this is what you based your decision on? Eurovision ROFLPMSL. Did they upset you, petal?
 
ow and to cut through all your waffle, we never were at war with Argentina, it was just a local conflict, so we are not at war and never were. Just 100% wrong on that one WJ.

Correct Chesh.........:emoticon-0148-yes:

The conflict began on 2 April, when Argentina invaded and occupied the Falkland Islands, followed by the invasion of South Georgia the next day, in an attempt to establish the sovereignty it had claimed over them. ... Neither state officially declared war, although both governments declared the Islands a war zone.

Argentina invaded the Falklands in order to take the focus (distract) away from the economic and political problems going on in Argentina at the time.

Britain went to the Falklands to boot out the Argentinian trespassers.
 
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LOL. Here we go again Putting words into my mouth.

Where did I say that the war was declared? I said we were AT WAR. Here's your link

... https://www.britannica.com/event/Falkland-Islands-War

Where's your counter? The one to support your assertion that we were never at war with them?
How stupid are you, how can anyone put up a link to something that never happened. It's like me asking you to put up a link to the time you scored 20 goals for Leeds, as it never happened there's no link. <doh> <doh> <doh> so you now admit, we never declared war with the country of Argentina, they never on us. We never fired one bullet at Argentina and they never fired one bullet at the UK, So you said we are still at war with Argentina, but we never were so we are not,. As usual your talking **** and are wrong again.

So if we are still at war with any country we've ever fired a bullet at like WJ thinks we are in the middle of WW3 fighting half the world as we speak <laugh> <yikes> and Bielsa's a real spy, who we will take out and shoot any day now. <whistle> ow it's OK it just WJ away with the fairies again ;)
 
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Correct Chesh.........:emoticon-0148-yes:

The conflict began on 2 April, when Argentina invaded and occupied the Falkland Islands, followed by the invasion of South Georgia the next day, in an attempt to establish the sovereignty it had claimed over them. ... Neither state officially declared war, although both governments declared the Islands a war zone.

Argentina invaded the Falklands in order to take the focus (distract) away from the economic and political problems going on in Argentina at the time.

Britain went to the Falklands to boot out the Argentinian trespassers.
Yes that's correct, there will be a lot of waffle coming from WJ now he realises he's wrong again. And he will make up a lot of lies and crap, but it's plain for everyone else to see he was wrong. <laugh>
 
LOL. Here we go again Putting words into my mouth.

Where did I say that the war was declared? I said we were AT WAR. Here's your link

... https://www.britannica.com/event/Falkland-Islands-War

Where's your counter? The one to support your assertion that we were never at war with them?
You said we are officially at war with, as I pointed out we were never officially at war with anyone. GAME SET AND MATCH