Greta Thunberg

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Don’t encourage him mate. HIAG is of the view that the tested and peer reviewed science is only perpetuated to keep lying scientists in their jobs.

Instead he puts his faith in sci-fi writers and Gardeners turned have-a-go physicists whose work has been widely debunked for the complete tosh that it is.

He won’t have any of it though. He’s bought into the gullible claptrap that the established science is trying to suppress the nonsense he’s fallen for, because they don’t want the truth being released. It’s classic conspiracy thinking.

Sounds like fun, I'm looking forward to this guys evidence so I can pull it apart.
 
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Don’t encourage him mate. HIAG is of the view that the tested and peer reviewed science is only perpetuated to keep lying scientists in their jobs.

Instead he puts his faith in sci-fi writers and Gardeners turned have-a-go physicists whose work has been widely debunked for the complete tosh that it is.

He won’t have any of it though. He’s bought into the gullible claptrap that the established science is trying to suppress the nonsense he’s fallen for, because they don’t want the truth being released. It’s classic conspiracy thinking.

My boss is still upset that he's not getting his hush money since he got his physics PhD.
 
Don’t encourage him mate. HIAG is of the view that the tested and peer reviewed science is only perpetuated to keep lying scientists in their jobs.

Instead he puts his faith in sci-fi writers and Gardeners turned have-a-go physicists whose work has been widely debunked for the complete tosh that it is.

He won’t have any of it though. He’s bought into the gullible claptrap that the established science is trying to suppress the nonsense he’s fallen for, because they don’t want the truth being released. It’s classic conspiracy thinking.

HIAG is a ridiculous little Englander cliche: flat earther who plays AOR covers from the suburbs of Poole.
 
Sounds like fun, I'm looking forward to this guys evidence so I can pull it apart.

Yeah when I say don’t, I mean do :)

It’s quite entertaining seeing how gullible people fall down the rabbit hole of believing utter nonsense.
 
Yeah when I say don’t, I mean do :)

It’s quite entertaining seeing how gullible people fall down the rabbit hole of believing utter nonsense.
Would you class voters as gullible people? And do they believe in utter nonsense?

While I'm here I'll add religious peeps and praying to that question.

To keep it fair :bandit:
 
Just being looking up this Richard Milton guy.......he claims that Roman's never existed, the whole story of the Roman empire is made up, and that no one ever spoke Latin either, it was made up by 18th Century school masters to keep their jobs.
Seems like a complete and total ****** <laugh>
FFS HIAG, why would you admit to swallowing this ****. I thought you were just slightly autistic, now I am leaning towards total ******ation.

Et tu Boditus?
 
There are some interesting TED talks on why people end up believing the stuff they do and become completely entrenched in their views, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

This sort of stuff usually starts with the author of such views planting a falsehood which attempts to sow doubt in the established wisdom. From this doubt, they then introduce their own alternative view which is presented as the credible angle. The original evidence is then framed as being misleading or false.

You can see this in the language that HIAG uses. I.e ‘The scientists are lying’ and he even has a motive for why they are lying ‘to keep themselves in a job’

Before you know it, otherwise reasonable thinking people end up swallowing all sorts of nonsense and passing it off as fact.

I also think there’s a social angle to this to, in as much that some people’s desire to ‘be different’ and ‘not follow the masses’ leads them into placing stock in these falsehoods The desire to say ‘I’ve got some knowledge that you don’t understand’ overrides the actual facts.

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Would you class voters as gullible people? And do they believe in utter nonsense?

While I'm here I'll add religious peeps and praying to that question.

To keep it fair :bandit:

Voters. Depends what you’re voting for. But yes people are deliberately misled a lot of the time. That doesn’t mean voting itself is a gullible act, it means that politicians lie a lot of the time.

Religion and praying. I think faith forms a social role and can have a positive influence on an individual level in terms of moral guidance. My personal view is that you don’t actually need religion for moral guidance, but I can see where it is useful for some people.
 
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I knew it <laugh> So you don't believe that Dinosaurs inhabited the Earth before Humans then?

It’s undeniable that they did inhabit this Earth.

That was when Saturn was our sun, and we orbited within its purple glow. Our gravity was a lot less, in those times, enable half ton reptiles to fly.

Read Immanuel Velikovski’s groundbreaking “Worlds In Collision.”
 
It’s undeniable that they did inhabit this Earth.

That was when Saturn was our sun, and we orbited within its purple glow. Our gravity was a lot less, in those times, enable half ton reptiles to fly.

Read Immanuel Velikovski’s groundbreaking “Worlds In Collision.”

One of them is still flying by the sound of it <whistle>
 
If I've got this right you think the views of a sci-fi writer outweigh all the current peer reviewed scientific research into inheritance, genetics and natural selection, carbon dating and many other fields related to evolution.

Do yourself a favour and read his book, and his detailed assessment of the actual evidence (or, rather, the lack thereof) for neo Darwinism.

I’m not trying to convert you to my point of view, I merely want you to read an intelligent sceptic’s take on things.

If you have the courage to do that, let’s discuss this subject again.

I guarantee you that you are as ignorant of the paradigm that you profess to support as you are of the sceptics’ view.

What's your view on contrails?

It is not a subject I know anything about, so I will not voice an opinion either way.
 
The less-than-three page Preface that begins the 1997 version of this book sets the tone for the constant contradictions and misstatements which fill the rest of the pages.

Milton claims that his first edition of the book was misunderstood. Here he states his view that he doesn't think science is a myth, that evolution is false, and that natural selection is a pack of lies. He also says, on the very next page, that he doesn't think the earth is only a few thousand years old. The previous sentence says that he does not accept there being any significant evidence for natural selection. And a couple of sentences later we find out that he has no idea how old the earth is. We later find out that he thinks there is significant evidence that the earth is only a few thousand years old.

Milton's statements appear confusing, unclear, and two faced in just the first few pages. But the real confusion is yet to come......

http://www.2think.org/darwinism.shtml

Anyone who challenges the current paradigm is attacked. The sterner the challenge, the more vicious and unreasoning the attack from the mainstream. Many eminent so-called scientists admitted to not reading Milton’s book before roundly condemning it.

You have a choice, Pix.

Continue living your life like a sheep, content in the belief that what you are fed by the mainstream is how it really is.

Or examine the views of those who challenge the mainstream version, and then make up your own mind.

If you read the summaries and critiques of people like Milton, Talbot, Thornhill, Prof Don Scott, Crothers, Hancock, etc, you are reading the words of people antagonist to those writers and thinkers, so you are never going to get a fair appraisal.

Why not take the intelligent approach, and instead of cowardly siding with those who want to dissuade you from reading these works, read them for yourself, with an open mind, and find out what has made the mainstream so angry?
 
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