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I’ve not seen the City VAR disallowed goal yet, but it sounds wrong.

Clear and obvious mistakes is what VAR is for, so far they seem to be missing that crucial salient point imo.

Our game threw up another VAR anomaly today. We were attacking ball went in the box Calvert Lewin went the ball, and clashed with a Watford defender, he hit the deck and appealed for a penalty. Moss waved it away, the ball stayed in play and the game carried on - no VAR review.

A few minutes later Mina makes a challenge in the box, ball goes out, Moss gives a corner. Watford appeal and there’s a VAR review as the ball is dead.

So when there’s no break in play, there’s seemingly no review as the officials don’t seem to know what to do in terms of stopping play.
 
Tobes said:
I’ve not seen the City VAR disallowed goal yet, but it sounds wrong.

Clear and obvious mistakes is what VAR is for, so far they seem to be missing that crucial salient point imo.

Our game threw up another VAR anomaly today. We were attacking ball went in the box Calvert Lewin went the ball, and clashed with a Watford defender, he hit the deck and appealed for a penalty. Moss waved it away, the ball stayed in play and the game carried on - no VAR review.

A few minutes later Mina makes a challenge in the box, ball goes out, Moss gives a corner. Watford appeal and there’s a VAR review as the ball is dead.

So when there’s no break in play, there’s seemingly no review as the officials don’t seem to know what to do in terms of stopping play.
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It’s the new rule mate. You can’t score after a hand was used in the build up. No matter if it’s not your hand or if it was intentional or not.
 
Tobes said:
I’ve not seen the City VAR disallowed goal yet, but it sounds wrong.

Clear and obvious mistakes is what VAR is for, so far they seem to be missing that crucial salient point imo.

Our game threw up another VAR anomaly today. We were attacking ball went in the box Calvert Lewin went the ball, and clashed with a Watford defender, he hit the deck and appealed for a penalty. Moss waved it away, the ball stayed in play and the game carried on - no VAR review.

A few minutes later Mina makes a challenge in the box, ball goes out, Moss gives a corner. Watford appeal and there’s a VAR review as the ball is dead.

So when there’s no break in play, there’s seemingly no review as the officials don’t seem to know what to do in terms of stopping play.
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A handball leading to a goal doesn't count for the clear and obvious rule. The rule states any handball even if its accidental crosses out the goal.

Bollocks I know but dem the rules.
 
Skylarker said:
A handball leading to a goal doesn't count for the clear and obvious rule. The rule states any handball even if its accidental crosses out the goal.

Bollocks I know but dem the rules.
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Might as well ditch the 'clear and obvious' now and just review everything.
 
It's a bollocks rule change as it doesn't seem to apply the other way round so it favours the defending team when rule changes should do the opposite imo.

How you can have a different rule for different parts of the pitch and different situations? It's ****ing mental.

What happens if it strikes a players arm accidentally in the build up? Ball comes out to left wing and it strikers wingers arm off his head but ref doesn't think it's handball, if he crosses it in for a goal does it then become handball?
 
Skylarker said:
It's all subjective anyway. I don't actually mind VAR I'm just not sold on the way it's being used. Poorly executed so far but it will improve imo.
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That’s the point though, it’s supposed to remove any element of subjectivity and only change clear and obvious mistakes.

I want it to succeed but it defo needs work. Offside by the width of an eyebrow or some random accidental ball to hand issue in a goal build up isn’t what it was brought in for.
 
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Skylarker said:
It's all subjective anyway. I don't actually mind VAR I'm just not sold on the way it's being used. Poorly executed so far but it will improve imo.
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I'm not convinced it will, we were told it was for the absolute howlers but if that's the case you wouldn't see it more than ten times a season... think it was used on average 7 times a match last weekend.

Instead it's being used to re referee the game looking at the minutest detail. Will only get worse imo. Will only take a controversial goal against a big club at a vital moment where there's a foul just before the so called phase and we'll have to go further back.
 
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Could you imagine today, if that disallowed Man City goal was a title decider in the dying minute of a game.....fooking hell it would have kicked off big style <laugh>
 
Tobes said:
That’s the point though, it’s supposed to remove any element of subjectivity and only change clear and obvious mistakes.

I want it to succeed but it defo needs work. Offside by the width of an eyebrow or some random accidental ball to hand issue in a goal build up isn’t what it was brought in for.
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The thing with the new rule is that it takes the subjective element out of it by saying intentional or not.

The subjective element is the one flaw or chink in VAR, imo. No matter how many times a handball or a bad foul is looked at there will be those who shout deliberate and those who disagree.

So, as it ever was, it’s then down to the ref to use his judgement. But it will always be subjective.
 
Libby said:
I'm not convinced it will, we were told it was for the absolute howlers but if that's the case you wouldn't see it more than ten times a season... think it was used on average 7 times a match last weekend.

Instead it's being used to re referee the game looking at the minutest detail. Will only get worse imo. Will only take a controversial goal against a big club at a vital moment where there's a foul just before the so called phase and we'll have to go further back.
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The main issue is they either use it 100% or they don't. Choosing to only use it for howlers will create even more discussion as who decides if it's a howler!

It's a tough conundrum to solve but someone is getting paid a fortune to get it right. Just needs tweaking somehow.
 
Skylarker said:
The main issue is they either use it 100% or they don't. Choosing to only use it for howlers will create even more discussion as who decides if it's a howler!

It's a tough conundrum to solve but someone is getting paid a fortune to get it right. Just needs tweaking somehow.
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That's kinda the point I'm getting to tbh, if you're gonna completely change (ruin) the game anyway then you may as well go all the way and review everything.

Like you say it's all gonna remain subjective anyway and as much as people like to go on about teams not losing cup finals/getting relegated by poor decisions, var in its current form won't completely eliminate that.
 
Tobes said:
The atmosphere at Goodison today was ****ing boss.

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Definitely need to get there again before you move, was late last time so didn't get to have a proper mooch around.

Might go this year actually depending when it is.
 
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