An open letter from Ehab...

[dennisboothstash]

Every post has "the Allams", note plural. This is number one son trying to repair the damage papa caused. Even the whiff of a PR company coauthoring said missive. And the strong suspicion not signed off by the old man, for whatever reason.

Number one son could not give a **** about you, only his money

 

[highpeak tiger]

How's about, just for starters, letting Geoff Bielby attend the supporters committee as a rep for the Trust. Eh Ehab?

 

[City Man]

The 10,000 'supporters' they 'lost' were the 10,000 they had jumped on the bandwagon which started with Pearson and gained momentum with the move to the new stadium. They were attracted back because the team were winning on the field and left as soon as we weren't.
The ideal scenario would have to have kept those extra 10,000 supporters and attracted another 10,000 to go with them which would only have been achieved if we had the infrastructure to maintain it, which we don't.
The Allams for all their failings did attempt to rectify this with their talks with the council about developing the stadium and surrounding area so we could grow as a club. Pearson had also held similar talks with the council over the development of the area and he too hit a brick wall and eventually sold up.
Its all water under the bridge now because the opportunity was lost and will probably never raise its head again but the facts remain we are what we are whilst we play from a shared council owned stadium with a capacity touching 25k.
Until someone can add some value to the club with bricks and mortar and separate income streams we will be in this position for ever, no matter who the owners are because folks, there are no fairy godmothers out there with bottomless pits of money to pour into a club like ours without expecting a return on it.
The present owners and the present council had it all within their grasp to really push this club and city forward and between them they fluffed it massively.
Having said that we are probably a mid table Championship club ( hopefully) who have an outside chance of making the Play Off's and on the gates we will be attracting this season that is quite some achievement. We are also in danger of going the other way, two defeats in a week is enough to put that fear into a club at this early stage of the season.
Anyhow, first home game of the season and I intend to enjoy it whilst I can.
We are what we are.

Great post.

Reality check for some of the entrenched posters on here, blinded by perceived slights/insults/soundbites to the point where they can no longer focus on the present or the future.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

They weren’t suckered, Assem’s just deluded.

Oh they were. Classic labour council do knowts stopping business
It’s why they’ve courted Allam so much since
And he been stubborn won’t have it

 

[Edelman]

The 10,000 'supporters' they 'lost' were the 10,000 they had jumped on the bandwagon which started with Pearson and gained momentum with the move to the new stadium. They were attracted back because the team were winning on the field and left as soon as we weren't.
The ideal scenario would have to have kept those extra 10,000 supporters and attracted another 10,000 to go with them which would only have been achieved if we had the infrastructure to maintain it, which we don't.
The Allams for all their failings did attempt to rectify this with their talks with the council about developing the stadium and surrounding area so we could grow as a club. Pearson had also held similar talks with the council over the development of the area and he too hit a brick wall and eventually sold up.
Its all water under the bridge now because the opportunity was lost and will probably never raise its head again but the facts remain we are what we are whilst we play from a shared council owned stadium with a capacity touching 25k.
Until someone can add some value to the club with bricks and mortar and separate income streams we will be in this position for ever, no matter who the owners are because folks, there are no fairy godmothers out there with bottomless pits of money to pour into a club like ours without expecting a return on it.
The present owners and the present council had it all within their grasp to really push this club and city forward and between them they fluffed it massively.
Having said that we are probably a mid table Championship club ( hopefully) who have an outside chance of making the Play Off's and on the gates we will be attracting this season that is quite some achievement. We are also in danger of going the other way, two defeats in a week is enough to put that fear into a club at this early stage of the season.
Anyhow, first home game of the season and I intend to enjoy it whilst I can.
We are what we are.

Some very good points
I remember John McGovern get interviewed back in the 90s just after wed played Shrewsbury !
He said that was a good attendance today but one bad result can knock 3'000 off the next gate !

 

[originallambrettaman]

Every post has "the Allams", note plural. This is number one son trying to repair the damage papa caused. Even the whiff of a PR company coauthoring said missive. And the strong suspicion not signed off by the old man, for whatever reason.

The Airco closure was Ehab, 'the fans are irrelevant' was Ehab, the membership scheme was Ehab. The Allams. plural. is absolutely correct.

 

[Edelman]

The Airco closure was Ehab, 'the fans are irrelevant' was Ehab, the membership scheme was Ehab. The Allams. plural. is absolutely correct.

Aseem did say the fans where irrelevant on Humberside 4 n half years ago

 

[originallambrettaman]

Fair enough. I think I asked a more specific question in my minds eye, which was “which players are in a regular lineup for a good level of football”, which is a different question of course and hence the humour response.

Other than the last two I mentioned, they all played regularly in the Championship (or above), I'd say that was a good level of football.

 

[Newland Tiger]

The 10,000 'supporters' they 'lost' were the 10,000 they had jumped on the bandwagon which started with Pearson and gained momentum with the move to the new stadium. They were attracted back because the team were winning on the field and left as soon as we weren't.
.

Very simplistic analysis that , definitely not just about a winning team .

I choose to still go and support my team but I know people who won't go now until the owners have gone
people who went to games before I was born.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Aseem did say the fans where irrelevant on Humberside 4 n half years ago

It was Ehab who called the fans irrelevant, in his presentation to the FA Council during the name change debacle.

Assem just said Hull City was irrelevant, the name was too common.

 

[Edelman]

It was Ehab who called the fans irrelevant, in his presentation to the FA Council during the name change debacle.

Assem just said Hull City was irrelevant, the name was too common.

Aseem reiterated it in an interview on radio !

 

[City Man]

Very simplistic analysis that , definitely not just about a winning team .

I choose to still go and support my team but I know people who won't go now until the owners have gone
people who went to games before I was born.

What if they don't like the new owners either?

 

[DMD]

The 10,000 'supporters' they 'lost' were the 10,000 they had jumped on the bandwagon which started with Pearson and gained momentum with the move to the new stadium. They were attracted back because the team were winning on the field and left as soon as we weren't.
The ideal scenario would have to have kept those extra 10,000 supporters and attracted another 10,000 to go with them which would only have been achieved if we had the infrastructure to maintain it, which we don't.
The Allams for all their failings did attempt to rectify this with their talks with the council about developing the stadium and surrounding area so we could grow as a club. Pearson had also held similar talks with the council over the development of the area and he too hit a brick wall and eventually sold up.
Its all water under the bridge now because the opportunity was lost and will probably never raise its head again but the facts remain we are what we are whilst we play from a shared council owned stadium with a capacity touching 25k.
Until someone can add some value to the club with bricks and mortar and separate income streams we will be in this position for ever, no matter who the owners are because folks, there are no fairy godmothers out there with bottomless pits of money to pour into a club like ours without expecting a return on it.
The present owners and the present council had it all within their grasp to really push this club and city forward and between them they fluffed it massively.
Having said that we are probably a mid table Championship club ( hopefully) who have an outside chance of making the Play Off's and on the gates we will be attracting this season that is quite some achievement. We are also in danger of going the other way, two defeats in a week is enough to put that fear into a club at this early stage of the season.
Anyhow, first home game of the season and I intend to enjoy it whilst I can.
We are what we are.

On the ebb and flow of fans, it'll be interesting to see how it pans out in the future.

When the numbers increased last time, there were a fair few notable voices claiming long term status, that were not recognised by anyone that was actually there.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

The 10,000 'supporters' they 'lost' were the 10,000 they had jumped on the bandwagon which started with Pearson and gained momentum with the move to the new stadium. They were attracted back because the team were winning on the field and left as soon as we weren't.
The ideal scenario would have to have kept those extra 10,000 supporters and attracted another 10,000 to go with them which would only have been achieved if we had the infrastructure to maintain it, which we don't.
The Allams for all their failings did attempt to rectify this with their talks with the council about developing the stadium and surrounding area so we could grow as a club. Pearson had also held similar talks with the council over the development of the area and he too hit a brick wall and eventually sold up.
Its all water under the bridge now because the opportunity was lost and will probably never raise its head again but the facts remain we are what we are whilst we play from a shared council owned stadium with a capacity touching 25k.
Until someone can add some value to the club with bricks and mortar and separate income streams we will be in this position for ever, no matter who the owners are because folks, there are no fairy godmothers out there with bottomless pits of money to pour into a club like ours without expecting a return on it.
The present owners and the present council had it all within their grasp to really push this club and city forward and between them they fluffed it massively.
Having said that we are probably a mid table Championship club ( hopefully) who have an outside chance of making the Play Off's and on the gates we will be attracting this season that is quite some achievement. We are also in danger of going the other way, two defeats in a week is enough to put that fear into a club at this early stage of the season.
Anyhow, first home game of the season and I intend to enjoy it whilst I can.
We are what we are.

That’s not true.

 

[City Man]

On the ebb and flow of fans, it'll be interesting to see how it pans out in the future.

When the numbers increased last time, there were a fair few notable voices claiming long term status, that were not recognised by anyone that was actually there.

Agreedamundo.

No one will ever puff their chest out and brag "PL for life, I'm fickle me, I won't watch second or third tier" yet those people and that mentality clearly exists.

As for the 'missing thousands; and boycotts, HCFC ply their trade in a city with a catchment area of 500,000......countless thousands have been boycotting for decades way before the KC stadium was mooted. It's entrenched default behaviour round here, not some virtue-signalling moral high ground stance.

 

[cheshireles]

I suspect, that like me, you know a great many City fans who've supported the club for decades, but aren't currently attending games. I think they'd probably dispute the claim that they're all 'bandwagon jumpers'.

Obviously, we'll get bigger attendances in the Premier League and we'll even have season ticket holders who are there to watch the opposition more than us, but our owners have played a major part in halving our attendances, whatever Billy Bollocks claims.

THE major part by a country mile!

 

[Barchullona]

I suspect, that like me, you know a great many City fans who've supported the club for decades, but aren't currently attending games. I think they'd probably dispute the claim that they're all 'bandwagon jumpers'.

Obviously, we'll get bigger attendances in the Premier League and we'll even have season ticket holders who are there to watch the opposition more than us, but our owners have played a major part in halving our attendances, whatever Billy Bollocks claims.

We have always had fans who flit in and out. Look at attendances right through our history going up and down from game to game by thousands in many cases. Take the famous Millwall 40,000. 16,000 the home game before and 22,000 the one after. Last time we had over 30,000 for a league game was Xmas 1966 against Huddersfield. Last time we had a crowd over 30,000 was against West Ham in the FA Cup in 1973. Looking back I was at all 3 of those. Had an argument in a pub once with a fan saying we were bigger than this and that club. I asked him why he thought that he replied we used to get 30,000 every week. When, I asked him as I know we did when Carter here but you are too young to have seen that. We got 30,000 against Millwall was his reply. It was hard to get him to see that we didn’t get over 30,000 for any other game though we did for 3 or 4 games the following season but still averaged under 30,000. Mind you averages cause difficulty to some Hull folk. I remember a rugby fan on radio saying that Hull was still a rugby city when City crowds started going up as Rovers got 8,000 and FC 12,000 so rugby crowds averaged 20,000 compared to City’s average which was lower. Obviously doesn’t know the difference between totals and averages.

The owners have caused some fans to leave but a lot who have left were there to sit and watch because of the opposition, spectators not supporters, who aren’t interested in watching games involving the likes of Barnsley and Brentford.

 

[NYC tiger]

Other than the last two I mentioned, they all played regularly in the Championship (or above), I'd say that was a good level of football.

Other than the first two, I would say they are not particularly good footballers, but that’s my opinion as a fan.

I appreciate the effort but in all the years since Pete Daniel we haven’t had many roll off the tongue, and that is my point. At least the Allams made an effort, but on the back of a tonne of TV money and a shadow of the Burnley’s, Swansea’s who used the cash to good effect.

 

[Barchullona]

Agreedamundo.

No one will ever puff their chest out and brag "PL for life, I'm fickle me, I won't watch second or third tier" yet those people and that mentality clearly exists.

As for the 'missing thousands; and boycotts, HCFC ply their trade in a city with a catchment area of 500,000......countless thousands have been boycotting for decades way before the KC stadium was mooted. It's entrenched default behaviour round here, not some virtue-signalling moral high ground stance.

A bigger catchment area than that. At least going by the HDM. In recent months they have written about a new store opening near Hull, a new attraction near Hull for kids and a swimming experience near Hull. These were in Castleford, Roundhay Park in Leeds and Scarborough. Bloody enormous area.

 

[LeftSaidFred]

Agreedamundo.

No one will ever puff their chest out and brag "PL for life, I'm fickle me, I won't watch second or third tier" yet those people and that mentality clearly exists.

As for the 'missing thousands; and boycotts, HCFC ply their trade in a city with a catchment area of 500,000......countless thousands have been boycotting for decades way before the KC stadium was mooted. It's entrenched default behaviour round here, not some virtue-signalling moral high ground stance.

Who the hell are HCFC?!!!