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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
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QPR Oslo said:
I think the diversion tactics are coming from your, and the political element you seem to support, continual harping on about anti semitism in the Labour party, which while no doubt exists, mostly isnt anti -semitic at all but criticism of the Israeli state. I'm in little doubt there is far wider racism In the Conservative party,, the scale of accusations of Islamophobia point to this, and Windrush showed it is extremely nasty.
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Totally agree with that!
 
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Stroller said:
You obviously haven't been paying sufficient attention to my posts. I have been critical of Corbyn, but not for his part in Labour anti-semitism (you're twisting my words there), but for not dealing with it more quickly. I don't see Johnson's appointment of Javid and Patel to key posts as proof that he isn't racist (he could hardly have selected an all white cabinet, could he?), but I do think that his stuff about piccaninnies with watermelon smiles was racist. On face masks, I'm not so sure. I don't like them either - it's a ridiculous get-up if you ask me - and if women are being forced to wear it, it's just plain wrong. However, some women presumably choose to dress that way and to describe them as letterboxes is offensive. Trump is a racist, end of story. I'm not sure where communism comes into it.
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Trump - the point is, he would be racist about white Russians, so I don't see it as a black/white racism - but any kind of "go back to where you come from" rhetoric is racist.

You're ignoring the fact that Boris did not simply appoint an ethnic minority member to a lowly Cabinet position for the sake of appearances. Apart from PM, there are no more senior positions in the Cabinet than Chancellor of the Exchequer or Home Secretary. That is a major statement.

I don't see the piccaninnie comments as racist - more lazy, 1950's type stereotyping, and to be avoided for that reason.
 
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Big daft Boris says money is no object when it comes to preparation for no deal. How come we have such poverty, poor services, homelessness, mental health issues, etc etc etc if money is no object. ****in tory ****ers
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
Trump - the point is, he would be racist about white Russians, so I don't see it as a black/white racism - but any kind of "go back to where you come from" rhetoric is racist.

You're ignoring the fact that Boris did not simply appoint an ethnic minority member to a lowly Cabinet position for the sake of appearances. Apart from PM, there are no more senior positions in the Cabinet than Chancellor of the Exchequer or Home Secretary. That is a major statement.

I don't see the piccaninnie comments as racist - more lazy, 1950's type stereotyping, and to be avoided for that reason.
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That last paragraph made me spit out my fanta! What a croc of ****
 
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QPR Oslo said:
I think the diversion tactics are coming from your, and the political element you seem to support, continual harping on about anti semitism in the Labour party, which while no doubt exists, mostly isnt anti -semitic at all but criticism of the Israeli state. I'm in little doubt there is far wider racism In the Conservative party,, the scale of accusations of Islamophobia point to this, and Windrush showed it is extremely nasty.
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In that case, how is that Jewish Labour MP's have left the party claiming intimidation? How is it that Labour is being investigated and no other party is? How is that Labour MP's have been incredibly critical for allowing this kind of abuse of Jewish people to go on?

When did a Muslim conservative last need police protection to go to a party conference? The kind of complacency you're demonstrating is a huge part of why this thing has blown up into something so serious in Corbyn's Labour.
 
sb_73 said:
I don’t understand why the media are going on about a ‘cabinet purge’ and the largest number of ministers ever being sacked. Isn’t this a brand new government, new policies, new boss and so on? What else would be expected? It’s not as if Johnson was a ‘nominated successor’ from within May’s cabinet, quite the reverse.

Most interesting appointment is former Vote Leave director Dominic Cummings as his Special Advisor, the man played by Benedict Cumberbatch on the telly. He is a grade A nutter, but very bright indeed, an incredibly explosive combination. David Cameron described him (in 2014, way before a referendum was even promised) as a ‘career psychopath’. The prediction is that he will fall out with Johnson very quickly and write brutally about him on his blog.
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I think that, even by the standards of a new PM coming in mid term, an abnormally large number of the cabinet were binned, hence 'purge' etc. It was quite ruthless - even keeping Hancock at Health after he spent weeks sucking up to him is fairly harsh. And no semblance of an attempt to balance wings of the party, which is also abnormal.
 
sb_73 said:
I don’t understand why the media are going on about a ‘cabinet purge’ and the largest number of ministers ever being sacked. Isn’t this a brand new government, new policies, new boss and so on? What else would be expected? It’s not as if Johnson was a ‘nominated successor’ from within May’s cabinet, quite the reverse.

Most interesting appointment is former Vote Leave director Dominic Cummings as his Special Advisor, the man played by Benedict Cumberbatch on the telly. He is a grade A nutter, but very bright indeed, an incredibly explosive combination. David Cameron described him (in 2014, way before a referendum was even promised) as a ‘career psychopath’. The prediction is that he will fall out with Johnson very quickly and write brutally about him on his blog.
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That'll be the pessimistic prediction yes?

The other prediction is that it's an excellent appointment.
 
Stroller said:
Anti-semitism in the Labour party seems to be only kind of racism that you think needs addressing. I'm not a Labour party member, so can't do much about it, but I have acknowledged that it's a problem and I have been critical of Corbyn for not dealing with it in a sufficiently robust fashion, although he seems to have now grasped that nettle.

There, now would you like to talk about Islamophobia in the Tory party? Or Trump's racism? Or Johnson's?

Thought not.

By the way, you didn't answer the question in the post you responded to. Was my PM to the supermod about Kiwi worthy of a ban, would you say?
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Johnson's new cabinet is incredibly diverse is it not?
 
Quite Possibly Raving said:
I think that, even by the standards of a new PM coming in mid term, an abnormally large number of the cabinet were binned, hence 'purge' etc. It was quite ruthless - even keeping Hancock at Health after he spent weeks sucking up to him is fairly harsh. And no semblance of an attempt to balance wings of the party, which is also abnormal.
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50% remainers and leavers.
Seems pretty balanced.
Lots of diversity too.

Good start.
 
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rangercol said:
Johnson's new cabinet is incredibly diverse is it not?
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No, they're all bleeding Tories!

rangercol said:
50% remainers and leavers.
Seems pretty balanced.
Lots of diversity too.

Good start.
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Where does the Remainer/Leaver split come from? They've all had to swear to No Deal. Surely nobody who voted Remain could do that unless they've abandoned all principles.
 
Quite Possibly Raving said:
I think that, even by the standards of a new PM coming in mid term, an abnormally large number of the cabinet were binned, hence 'purge' etc. It was quite ruthless - even keeping Hancock at Health after he spent weeks sucking up to him is fairly harsh. And no semblance of an attempt to balance wings of the party, which is also abnormal.
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It’s a temporary government though, just designed to deliver one thing in 3 months time.
rangercol said:
That'll be the pessimistic prediction yes?

The other prediction is that it's an excellent appointment.
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what do you think Col? Not pessimistic from my perspective, as I said Cummings is sensationally clever but also a bit nuts, should be fun! He dreamt up the £350m for the NHS on the side of the bus gag.
 
Looks more to me like a seizure of power by a group of right wing free market fundamentalists - like a corporate coup d'etat, which nobody voted for. Friends of mine here are amazed that the internal problems of a party which never had more than 37% of the votes cast, and has only about 130,000 members could have such far reaching consequences - this could never happen in a real democracy.
 
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sb_73 said:
It’s a temporary government though, just designed to deliver one thing in 3 months time.

what do you think Col? Not pessimistic from my perspective, as I said Cummings is sensationally clever but also a bit nuts, should be fun! He dreamt up the £350m for the NHS on the side of the bus gag.
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Cummings, from what I understand, has drive and determination to see things through.
He was campaign chief for vote leave.
Drove through Gove's free schools, which has been very successful.
His drive should help preperations for no deal, which the EU must believe we'll do.
May was pathetic in this regard.

Early days, but so far, Boris is doing well.
 
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