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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Spurlock, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    He'll be working with many of the same players he had last season.
     
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  2. PleaseNotPoll

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    It sounds like Terry's the only one of his old teammates that he doesn't want, funnily enough.
     
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  3. Marco Mon

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    Dele Alli was amazing in his first season, decent in second and rubbish last season. Why? New £100k per week contract that’s why!!! Lost his focus, lost his touch, lost soul
     
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  4. Marco Mon

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    Furthermore he should be dropped from starting XI, if you watch his overall game he loses the ball all the time, no speed, when he has the ball he dilly dallies with it until the attack then breaks down, he can’t shoot and yet he will have a moment or two where he makes a late run into the box and gets the odd goal and suddenly he is a world beater??!!
     
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  5. Marco Mon

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    What would I do?
    Get N’Dombele, Modric, Ziyeck and Danilo Total cost approx £150m...keep Eriksen....sell Dier, Trippier, Onomah, Janssen, Nkoudou should fetch approx £100m and keep Alderweireld till contract runs down, so we could have a go at winning premier next season with this 25 man squad:

    Lloris. Lamela. Kane
    Gazzaniga Edwards Son
    Whiteman. N’Dombele. Lucas
    W Peters Sissoko
    Aurier. Winks
    Danilo. Wanyama
    Alderweireld. Modric
    D Sanchez. Ziyeck
    Vertonghen Dele
    Foyth. Eriksen
    Rose
    Davies
     
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  6. Rocky blue army

    Rocky blue army Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully we won't need another striker poch could promote young parrot to the first team squad , we have wasted so much money on strikers over the last few seasons I'd rather we get other replacements in where needed ,also we have son and lucas who can get the goals as well as kane
     
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  7. Marco Mon

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    Totally agree Rocky Blue hence my squad doesn’t have any new strikers. That’s why buying Ziyeck a more natural left winger than Son would mean Son could play up front more often even with Kane. Eriksen will be difficult to keep but if he goes then we would have t replace him with another star player....Realisticly Lo Celso, Ceballos, Zaha or Van De Beek
     
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  8. Marco Mon

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    Anyway last post of the day, this is Spurs all time greatest XI players who left our club and went on to be very successful at another club:

    GK - Jennings (Ars)
    RB - Walker (Man City)
    CB - Campbell (Ars)
    CB - Gough (Rangers)
    LB - Ziege
    RW - Waddle (Marseille)
    CM - Carrick (Man Utd)
    CM - Modric (R Madrid)
    LW - Bale (R Madrid)
    SS - Sheringham (Man Utd)
    CF - Berbatov (Man Utd)
     
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  9. remembercolinlee

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    1) we do not have a choice with Alderweireld...if someone bids £25m and he wants to join them he can.

    2) We have apparently received a £25m bid for Trippier.
    Maybe that'll jump to £30m if their is a bidding war.
    We will get maybe £7m or £8m for Janssen and the same for Onomah (if we are lucky) so if we got those top figures it'll make £46m...it would be a near miracle if anyone paid over £50m for Dier.

    Just my opinion of course but I think your figure of £100m is overly optimistic mate.
     
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  10. The RDBD

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    Levy says : hold my spreadsheet ...
     
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  11. BrunelGooner

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    Wan-Bissaka joining Man United after a £50m fee was agreed with Crystal Palace. He will be earning between £80k-£90k per week according to David Ornstein. He also says that United have got a 25% sell-on clause for Wilfried Zaha.

    A few points I want to make with this information.

    1) It's crazy that a player who, whilst he looks like a top talent, has only had one good season, yet has commanded a £50m fee with a significant wage increase. Not even a striker or midfielder - a bloody fullback! Football is absolutely insane.

    2) If Palace are getting £50m for Wan-Bissaka, they must want other clubs to pay around £100m+ for Zaha considering United have a 25% sell on clause, in addition to Zaha having another 4 years left on his contract and being PL proven.

    No wonder other clubs have been deterred from bidding for him. Palace have no need to sell him and they are in a very strong position.

    If Zaha always planned on leaving Palace at some point, he should never have agreed to sign the contract extension last year. Or his agent should have negotiated better terms on his behalf.

    Right now, Palace hold all the cards.
     
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  12. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Zaha was mad to sign the most recent contract. I recall that it didn't raise his wage by that much and it tied him to Palace until he is 30. The relationship between club and player is a fine balancing act to get right. It looks like Zaha has let Palace lead him into a position where he doesn't want to be.

    I like Palace but there's no realistic hope of them being anything more than they currently are, during Zaha's unexpired 4 years of his current contract. Having just made the fat end of £50m from a full back means that there's little imperative to trade their most valuable asset at anything that represents sensible business to a purchaser who isn't desperate.

    Mauricio Pochettino is said to be a fan but we're not going to be bidding circa £100m, having baulked at £50m a couple of years ago and £70m last summer, when we would have been expecting him to kick up a fuss to join a club in the CL. He was loyal to Palace and that was laudable but will cost him a lot.

    I don't see any foreign club paying the English player surcharge when it's irrelevant to them. So, it's up to Chelsea to go into 2020/21 in the CL, which is far from a given. If that doesn't happen, it looks bleak for his ambitions.
     
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  13. BrunelGooner

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    Have you seen David Ornstein's most recent tweet? He said that we are interested in him, and Zaha is interested in joining us (boyhood Arsenal fan), but Palace want in excess of £80m and they/we know that Arsenal won't pay that money unless we sell some players first, which we aren't keen on doing.

    It's understood that if we had qualified for the Champions League, we would have been able to afford Zaha, but as we haven't, it is extremely unlikely a move to Arsenal will materialise.

    Which makes the 4-1 loss to Chelsea in the EL final + the last 6 weeks of the PL season even more frustrating.
     
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  14. The RDBD

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    Sellers market, when the suitors are PL clubs and you have your
    players secured with long-term contracts.

    On AWB : well done Palace (if you use the money to strengthen wisely) .
     
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  15. The Huddlefro

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    Zaha’s contract situation and the price Palace will ask for him ultimately reflects his importance to the club rather than his real quality. Not a bad player by any means but a huge gamble to take him away from being a big fish in a small pond. I wouldn’t touch him at £50m let alone double that.
     
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  16. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    If it's true, you might have been saved from having badly invested a lot of transfer fees and wages.

    Is a hit or miss, £80m winger what Arsenal need right now? He's not a EL signing and given your wage issues, he doesn't fit your current pressing requirements of sorting out your defence.

    If you're seriously going to try to sign him this summer, your management want slapping.
     
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  17. humanbeingincroydon

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    Add to that Man Utd having a sell-on clause, which plays a large part in Palace inflating their asking price
     
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  18. BrunelGooner

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    You could be right, Brian, it would certainly be an expensive risk - and as we have shown the last few years, most of the big-money investments we've made have backfired on us drastically.

    I think (one of) the issue(s) we've got is a lack of width in our team. We have no wingers that can take players on or really stretch defences/create space for others.

    Most of our attacking players last season wanted ball to feet, rather than making intelligent, darting runs in behind. It became too easy and predictable to defend against, despite how many goals we scored overall.

    You look at our wide options right now and you'd have to say, a winger of some sort is a necessity:

    Iwobi - 23 years old, homegrown academy player on low wages. Looked like he turned a corner at the start of last season, then reverted to type. Lost confidence. Can't handle pressure. Good dribbler and strong on the ball, but his end product is sorely, sorely lacking. Not reliable.

    Mkhitaryan - 30 year old winger, who can carry the ball forward well and has decent acceleration, but is weak, doesn't score/assist enough and loses the ball a lot. Not reliable.

    Kolasinac - has a lot of power and is strong, but is too one-dimensional. Doesn't offer a lot. No subtly or variety to his game. Can't cross for toffee. Gets into good positions and frequently lets us down with final ball. Not reliable.

    Maitland-Niles - central midfielder by trade, yet forced to play as a wing-back because we had so few other options. Felt sorry for the kid to be thrown in the deep end so often. Not reliable.

    Reiss-Nelson - probably the only real attacking/wide talent we have that can take players on, get in behind, create chances and scores goals. He's not played for us for over a year though. Is it fair to pin our hopes on a 19-year old with very few Premier League minutes?

    Willock - prefers playing in attacking midfield, but can play on the flanks. Not his natural position though. Only 19. Not had much first-team exposure bar EL and domestic cup action.

    So out of that bunch, two of whom aren't even actual wingers but have played wing-backs & one of whom is a CAM, we have one decent winger.

    It would be criminal to neglect such a crucial position this transfer window.
     
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  19. Marco Mon

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    Right then Colin, let’s break it down player by player:
    Dier 40m
    Trippier 25m
    Janssen 9m
    Onomah 6m
    Nkoudou 12m
    C Vickers 8m
    Total - Approx £100m!!

    I think I forgot to mention C vickers thouhh so fair enough
     
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  20. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Ones in bold are never happening, mate.

    Dier's valuation has plummeted whilst we only paid £11m for Nkoudou, we're never making a profit on him, we'd be lucky to get £5m.
     
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