Off Topic Politics Thread

Well if the police have taken to issuing images of people who report serious incidents of domestic abuse I won'

 

Imagine thinking a person recording a very loud which seemed nasty row (this is all we have been told) is the person in the wrong. Domestic abuse goes on crazy amount of times and the guilty go unpunished due to lack of evidence. I have recorded a loud argument my neighbours had and it led to the husband assaulting his wife.

Police and organisations actually say if you hear a row sounding violent then record it.

Boris may not have hurt his partner, he also may have. No one knows the details of what happened as it has been hushed up. Until the truth comes out and it is proven it was just a loud argument, I find calling this a smear and attacking the neighbour disgusting.

Other neighbours have now come forward backing the neighbour btw.

 

I’m not on Twitter, but I read a response from a barrister stating that he had helped prosecute several people, for domestic abuse, who would have got away with it had it not been for neighbours bringing the arguments to the attention of the police.
Turning a blind eye, or a deaf ear to this sort of thing is to condone it.

 

The attempt to demonise those recording and/or reporting this type of behaviour is pretty sad. It may well be those neighbours have agendas of thier own, who hasn't, but thats a red herring. They didn't initiate the bloody row. Having lived for a short time next to a lady who's gentleman friend used to bash her head against the wall most nights I can tell you it's horribly distressing. My reporting of the disturbance resulted in a death threat from the gent and a tirade of abuse from his bruised lady. You rarey get thanked by anyone.

I note domestic abuse charities have responded with an official statement saying reporting IS what you should do in these circumstances, and praising these actions. Not got as much press as the smear attempts by Boris's chums and those hoping to get a job off him soon though.

 

Luckily for me, I don't actually care what you think. The police apparently called, they took no action and so the neighbour sold the recording to the press...his motivation at that point wasn't anybody's safety.
Nobody else recorded anything so I presume they either didn't hear it, or didn't think it necessary so on what basis does the other neighbours also lining up to support their friend in his abuse claims mean anything?
As someone who has been on the wrong end of malicious (and eventually proved false) accusations by an ex-partner, I obviously lean towards innocent until proven guilty and trial by media seems appalling to me.

 

As someone on the wrong end of malicious accusation...wouldn't you prefer documentary evidence?

In this case, the police likely were able to use the recording to confirm that it wasn't a criminal case. But "not worthy of prosecution" is not the same as "acceptable behaviour for a person seeking the highest political office in the land".

 

I agree we should expect better behaviour than normal from a possible future PM, and I do agree that documentary evidence would have been nice in my case however I still object to the recording being given to the press by the neighbour and then be used to sell papers and bring down Boris.
If Boris is going to lose the leadership battle and slink away out of politics then great, the man is a piece of **** however I don't want that decision made via the media and a howling mob.

 

Certain MPs are constantly the target of the howling mob mentality, namely Dianne Abbott and Anna Soubry. What Johnson receives pales into insignificance compared to the hateful headlines these great ladies are subjected to.

 

My feeling is that politicians have the same rights to privacy as anyone else: the freedom to act without interference in the privacy of their own homes. That is pretty well nullified as soon as your behaviour spills beyond those walls, however. I'd heartily object if the press was standing outside his door 24/7 with a parabolic microphone, but if your domestic incident is loud enough to be readily identifiable by the neighbours, that's on you. And if it results in you behaving in a politically-disqualifying fashion loudly enough to be recorded on a cellphone, that's your problem.

 

Take another example on the expectation of privacy: if Justin Trudeau decides to shotgun eight Molsons in the PM's residence, while wearing only his underwear, that's his right and the public need not know. If he chooses instead to do it on the lawn in full view of passersby, despite remaining on private property his behaviour will be projecting beyond those boundaries, and he no longer has a reasonable expectation of privacy.

He would also probably get a 5+ point bounce in the polls, so that idea's free, Justin.

 

Did his partner complain? No............ Did she ask for assistance ..........no........So how did or why did the neighbour feel it was necessary to give it to the Guardian. Money. .......they just wanted to humiliate the man and earn a few bob from it.

I don't condone violence of any nature..........but I would hate to think that every time my wife and I had a difference of opinion my next door neighbour are likely to be recording it and vice versa........whatever happened to the right to privacy..........

Sorry on this issue I can't agree, I don't like the guy at all........but I can't go along with the neighbour one little bit.
Oh and again for the record I hope he doesn't make PM.......but not through nonsense like this.........

 

Well, Beddy, I really hope none of your relatives find themselves in an abusive relationship, because, SO many times the abusee is too scared of the abuser to ask for help, so only the intervention of someone else can save them.
You ma call it “prying” or “being nosey”, but rather that than a battered or worse child ......

 

Now THIS is scary ..... MAGA indeed ....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48747994

 

Sorry mate that doesn't wash with me...........We are just never going to agree with this. Your privacy is just that your privacy...........If there is an abusive relationship it is up to the individual to report it. I know people are frightened to but neighbours do get to know and talk to the authorities about what the see and hear........I sorted a few violent ones in my daughters teens believe me. You can see the signs although in my case my daughters knew they could talk to me and did. It is up to the abuser to disclose. it is their responsibility especially with children we are not there to keep an eye on other people....sorry we were just not......

Edit........... if you know there is violence that is a different thing but a one off row, nah not for that.......

 

No problem, mate. We’ll agree to disagree. I’d rather have something like that reported than kept quiet. And I don’t care who it is ......

 

And as I was saying earlier, it's the recommended procedure to record the noise and make diaries to send to the authorities in the case of anti social noise.

Lound music, arguments, loud sex. All gets reported to our housing officers.

As a company we have to give notice if we set up recording equipment but our residents don't to record on their phone.

 

Woah Beddy. You are saying that it is up to the person in the abusive relationship to report it. That is very blinkered or based on little knowledge of abusive relationships.

I’m sorry, but I think this approach is awful. Really awful. These people often need someone else to see it or hear it and to just brush it off that they have to report it (almost like blaming them for putting up with it), is a pretty shocking attitude.

I’m hoping you didn’t mean that to sound as it came across to me.


* none of these comments relate to the Boris situation

Edit: jus seen your edit. There is a huge amount of grey between ‘violence’ and a ‘one of row’

 

I think people are jumping to to many conclusions over the Boris incident. When you hear people rowing it would never occur to me to record it. They are entitled to their privacy. IF it was violent or kept occurring i might then. Before though, personally I would go round and ask if all is ok. Then make a judgement as to how much further the incident needs to be taken.
As for another suggestion made that I obviously ( not by you fatso) have not known or experienced violence before. Quite the reverse is true......I guarantee that I have experienced at least the same or even more than most posters on this forum trust me.

 

Being falsely accused isn't as bad as abuse though is it. I have been a victim of both sides and I can tell you no it isn't.

If more people recorded violent or heated arguments then more abusers would be convicted. People need to do more to help others and that is a fact. People condoning the person recording the argument which from what we know was at least heated are part of the problem.

 

As far as I'm aware the neighbour didn't sell the recording. They allowed a Guardian journalist to hear it as it corroborated their story. Happy to be proven wrong but I've not heard any other version except from the political spinners.

Vin